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<blockquote data-quote="ForbidenMaster" data-source="post: 4982875" data-attributes="member: 63213">Not true. If it was true then this whole section that comes after the rules for total concealment (&quot;you can’t see the target&quot;) wouldn't make much sense<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />HB page 281You need line of effect for everything unless the power you are using specifically says it just needs LOS, etc.&nbsp; If when you are determining LOE any line is blocked then the target has cover (of varying degrees).You dont need line of sight for anything except targeting creatures specifically.&nbsp; If you do not have LOS then you must pick a square to attack.&nbsp; If the target of your attack is hidden from you you must guess which square to attack, otherwise you know which square the creature is in.&nbsp; If you make a melee or ranged attack the target will benefit from concealment (of varying degrees).&nbsp; If you make a close or area attack then the target will not benefit from concealment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForbidenMaster, post: 4982875, member: 63213"] Not true. If it was true then this whole section that comes after the rules for total concealment ("you can’t see the target") wouldn't make much sense:PHB page 281 You need line of effect for everything unless the power you are using specifically says it just needs LOS, etc. If when you are determining LOE any line is blocked then the target has cover (of varying degrees). You dont need line of sight for anything except targeting creatures specifically. If you do not have LOS then you must pick a square to attack. If the target of your attack is hidden from you you must guess which square to attack, otherwise you know which square the creature is in. If you make a melee or ranged attack the target will benefit from concealment (of varying degrees). If you make a close or area attack then the target will not benefit from concealment. [/QUOTE]

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