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Message: <blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 3397270" data-attributes="member: 37198">I don't see physical attractiveness and CHA linking at all, so the Offense/Defense metaphor doesn't hold up for me; to me, physical attractiveness is the color of the jersey, because it doesn't factor in to the outcome of the game.  It's purely cosmetic.The way I look at it, at the table, either CHA has an affect on a character's appearance, or it doesn't.  If it does, then the CHA stat correlates to how the character looks, and if it doesn't, then the CHA stat is independent from the character's looks.  I don't see any reason to say CHA and beauty are linked, except when they are not linked, which can be whenever you want it to be.  (To me, that's the same thing as saying they aren't linked, since I never want them to be linked.)I'll repeat my post from earlier.  If there are two reasons a character is (or is not) beautiful, and one is Charisma, and the other is Whim, what is the value of saying CHA and Beauty are linked?  On the one hand, you are saying a character can look like whatever they want regardless of CHA, because physical attractiveness and CHA are not always linked.  But, when they are linked, you still run into the weird situation when a Sorcerer's bonus spells or a Cleric's Turn Attempts directly correlates to his physical attractiveness.  If the four elements of CHA listed in the book (force of personality, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical attractiveness) are separate, but equal out to the CHA stat, then by that understanding a character could have average personal magnetism, ability to lead or force of personality, but be really, really beautiful and have a CHA of 16.  Another character could have the same personal magnetism and such, but be plain looking, and have a 10 CHA.  Character A gets multiple Turn Attempts based on nothing besides being more physically attractive.  (If you think 6 points is to much for supreme hotness, you could make it four, two or just a point, but if it factors in at all you're leaving the door open to two characters equal in everything but hotness, with the hotter one getting more mechanical bonuses.  If it gives you a mechanical bonus, its not fluff.)</blockquote>

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