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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3397562" data-attributes="member: 3929">It can be purely cosmetic. It doesn't have to be.The way I look at it, at the table, either defense has an affect on winning the superbowl, or it doesn't.&nbsp; If it does, then defense correlates to how the team performs, and if it doesn't, then defense is independent from the team's performance.&nbsp; I don't see any reason to say defense and performance are linked, except when they are not linked, which can be whenever you want it to be.Doesn't make sense, does it?You get what you measure. If you're determined to never have them linked, then no amount of explanation will change that. I thought you started this thread asking, &quot;why and how are they linked?&quot; If this thread is an exercise in propounding upon, &quot;Cha and beauty are not linked&quot;, then I am very much mistaken and will take my leave. Which is it?If the only kind of &quot;link&quot; that exists are directly correlated causal links, then there is no value.Do you only acknowledge directly correlated causal relationships?Not at all.Fire is the source of both heat and light. The light is not the cause of the heat, nor the heat the cause of the light; both are caused by the fire.Similarly, when CHA and beauty are linked, beauty is caused by CHA, and bonus spells are caused by CHA. They may share the same cause but maintain a non-causal relationship with each other.(Changes Added)I would be cautious about using a FOP+PM+ATL+PA=CHA equation; A 14 CHA can express itself differently, but I don't think it means that if a person is able to lead that they must necessarily have less personal magnetism. How CHA expresses itself largely has to do with how the character is role-played. And that is fluff. Which should make you happy. The rules provide guidelines, and it is up to the players to fill in the details.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3397562, member: 3929"] It [i]can[/i] be purely cosmetic. It doesn't have to be. [indent]The way I look at it, at the table, either [b]defense[/b] has an affect on [b]winning the superbowl[/b], or it doesn't. If it does, then [b]defense[/b] correlates to how the [b]team performs[/b], and if it doesn't, then [b]defense[/b] is independent from the [b]team's performance[/b]. I don't see any reason to say [b]defense[/b] and [b]performance[/b] are linked, except when they are not linked, which can be whenever you want it to be.[/indent] Doesn't make sense, does it? You get what you measure. If you're determined to never have them linked, then no amount of explanation will change that. I thought you started this thread asking, "why and how are they linked?" If this thread is an exercise in propounding upon, "Cha and beauty are not linked", then I am very much mistaken and will take my leave. Which is it? If the only kind of "link" that exists are directly correlated causal links, then there is no value. Do you only acknowledge directly correlated causal relationships? Not at all. Fire is the source of both heat and light. The light is not the cause of the heat, nor the heat the cause of the light; both are caused by the fire. Similarly, when CHA and beauty are linked, beauty is caused by CHA, and bonus spells are caused by CHA. They may share the same cause but maintain a non-causal relationship with each other. ([b]Changes Added[/b]) I would be cautious about using a FOP+PM+ATL+PA=CHA equation; A 14 CHA can express itself differently, but I don't think it means that if a person is able to lead that they must necessarily have less personal magnetism. How CHA expresses itself largely has to do with how the character is role-played. And that is fluff. Which should make you happy. The rules provide guidelines, and it is up to the players to fill in the details. [/QUOTE]

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