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<blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 3398167" data-attributes="member: 37198">Not currently.&nbsp; You can continue to stipulate that appearance is as important as Defense, but I don't see it that way.&nbsp; I see it as a cosmetic trait.&nbsp; No matter how many times you say &quot;Appearance to CHA is like Defense to a football team&quot;, I'm going to say no, appearance is the color of the jerseys.&nbsp; And personally, I think the metaphor is a little stronger my way, because while Defense is actually a defineable part of the game, the color of the jerseys is just what they look like.&nbsp; You know, something that affects their physical appearance.&nbsp; So when I say, &quot;Physical Appearance doesn't need mechanics&quot; you shoot back, &quot;How can you say Defense isn't vital to winning Superbowls?&quot;&nbsp; It's not defense, its appearance.&nbsp; Its the color of the jerseys.&nbsp; Delta: IIRC (which is by no means guaranteed), Comeliness came out in 1e's Unearthed Arcana.&nbsp; I think the problem with making beauty a stat is the same as trying to tie it to an existing stat, in that beauty is subjective (which is why my old GM and I used to disagree as to whether or not Kathy Ireland was a 14 or an 18.&nbsp; I mean, what were we supposed to be doing in high school, curing cancer?)&nbsp; But even back in 1e, when CHA didn't do anything, they still managed to print an alternate rule that put physical attractiveness separate from CHA.&nbsp; I'm not advocating the return of the Comeliness stat.&nbsp; I'm saying beauty is fluff, and there is no need to have a mechanical requirement for it in the system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phindar, post: 3398167, member: 37198"] Not currently. You can continue to stipulate that appearance is as important as Defense, but I don't see it that way. I see it as a cosmetic trait. No matter how many times you say "Appearance to CHA is like Defense to a football team", I'm going to say no, appearance is the color of the jerseys. And personally, I think the metaphor is a little stronger my way, because while Defense is actually a defineable part of the game, the color of the jerseys is just [i]what they look like[/i]. You know, something that affects their physical appearance. So when I say, "Physical Appearance doesn't need mechanics" you shoot back, "How can you say Defense isn't vital to winning Superbowls?" It's not defense, its appearance. Its the color of the jerseys. Delta: IIRC (which is by no means guaranteed), Comeliness came out in 1e's Unearthed Arcana. I think the problem with making beauty a stat is the same as trying to tie it to an existing stat, in that beauty is subjective (which is why my old GM and I used to disagree as to whether or not Kathy Ireland was a 14 or an 18. I mean, what were we supposed to be doing in high school, curing cancer?) But even back in 1e, when CHA didn't do anything, they still managed to print an alternate rule that put physical attractiveness separate from CHA. I'm not advocating the return of the Comeliness stat. I'm saying beauty is fluff, and there is no need to have a mechanical requirement for it in the system. [/QUOTE]

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