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<blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 3399083" data-attributes="member: 37198">You'll have to forgive me because with all the back-and-forth we're having a couple of different discussions here.&nbsp; I didn't mean to forget about you, but all the arguments have different nuances and the conversation has drifted away from certain points.I don't see CHA as a measure of a person's inner beauty, for a couple of reasons.&nbsp; For one thing, complete and utter scumbags can have very high CHA scores in the game (and in real life, but bear in mind I work in bar, so I have a very dim view of humanity.)&nbsp; I think a character's inner beauty-- say their good and true nature, their pure heart-- can shine through, but I wouldn't tie it to CHA (or any other ability).&nbsp; A character could have an 18 CHA (and Int and Wis) and push little old ladies down stairs, poke dogs with forks, have a heart as black as pitch and a soul as empty as the void.&nbsp; Con men have high CHA scores, I wouldn't necessarily associate them with inner beauty.I've been using beauty and physical attractiveness synomously.&nbsp; I'm not sure how productive it would be to say a character can be beautiful but not physically attractive, or vice versa.&nbsp; We could say that CHA does not cause physical attractiveness, and leave the discussion of beauty for another day, since odds are we're defining it differently.&nbsp; (But I still don't buy the idea of CHA as inner beauty, for the reasons listed above.)&nbsp; If a player wanted to define his character as beautiful because of inner beauty shining through, and wanted the inner beauty to likewise reflect a high CHA that's fine, but I still don't link beauty (inner or outer) to CHA.&nbsp; (Because the character could have that CHA score even if he was a scumbag, or he could have a 6 CHA and still have a good and pure heart.)&nbsp; If someone was playing a Paladin with a 6 CHA, I wouldn't say that their character was any less pure of heart than a paladin with a higher CHA.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phindar, post: 3399083, member: 37198"] You'll have to forgive me because with all the back-and-forth we're having a couple of different discussions here. I didn't mean to forget about you, but all the arguments have different nuances and the conversation has drifted away from certain points. I don't see CHA as a measure of a person's inner beauty, for a couple of reasons. For one thing, complete and utter scumbags can have very high CHA scores in the game (and in real life, but bear in mind I work in bar, so I have a very dim view of humanity.) I think a character's inner beauty-- say their good and true nature, their pure heart-- can shine through, but I wouldn't tie it to CHA (or any other ability). A character could have an 18 CHA (and Int and Wis) and push little old ladies down stairs, poke dogs with forks, have a heart as black as pitch and a soul as empty as the void. Con men have high CHA scores, I wouldn't necessarily associate them with inner beauty. I've been using beauty and physical attractiveness synomously. I'm not sure how productive it would be to say a character can be beautiful but not physically attractive, or vice versa. We could say that CHA does not cause physical attractiveness, and leave the discussion of beauty for another day, since odds are we're defining it differently. (But I still don't buy the idea of CHA as inner beauty, for the reasons listed above.) If a player wanted to define his character as beautiful because of inner beauty shining through, and wanted the inner beauty to likewise reflect a high CHA that's fine, but I still don't link beauty (inner or outer) to CHA. (Because the character could have that CHA score even if he was a scumbag, or he could have a 6 CHA and still have a good and pure heart.) If someone was playing a Paladin with a 6 CHA, I wouldn't say that their character was any less pure of heart than a paladin with a higher CHA. [/QUOTE]

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