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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wish" data-source="post: 3244930" data-attributes="member: 13404">With no magic and that party composition, it doesn't surprise me a bit that the PCs got shredded.  It's a straight up brawl in an arena, so how much use are the stealth abilities of 60% of the party?  Zip.  And the spellthief is especially hosed.Lions not only pounce, but they improved grab with a +12 to grapple.  With no magic (no freedom of movement, probably no AC above 20 except maybe the swashbuckler, no strength boost) it's likely that the only one who had even a 50/50 shot at evading the grapple was the barbarian.  When you get two chances per PC to grapple them each round, and they're all useless in a grapple, that's a pretty good recipe for a TPK.  I'd say you were either softballing after you realized how bad you'd hosed them, or they did a great job to limit the losses to only two party members.</blockquote>