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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8513270" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>That's what I've been saying for a while now. There have been a ton of people using extreme and untrue hyperbole like "I guess all races are now exactly the same" and "WotC won't give us any lore anymore" because they dislike the recent changes. And I totally understand not liking the changes. I don't like a few of them, don't love a lot of the lore they've published in 5e, and I think they could be doing better than they are. I get not liking how D&D is now. But people use their being unsatisfied with current D&D to lie about it, saying "WotC will lose a ton of money for doing these changes", "D&D is no longer D&D anymore", and the like. </p><p></p><p>And while I can get why they're saying stuff like this and wholly understand not liking these changes . . . that kind of talk is absolute BS, and is made up by the people that just want to rant about things that they don't like and take it to an extreme where they have now left reality and are attacking a strawman. </p><p></p><p>And I don't claim to be perfect about this, either. I have fallen into the same trap, as well as the opposite of it. </p><p></p><p>I know that. I was just pointing out successful examples of WotC having lore for the different D&D races in their setting-specific locations. Those books worked, made WotC a lot of money, and I don't expect them to ditch a working formula. I haven't seen anyone ever online ask/demad that WotC stop putting any cultures in their books, and the books that did have the cultures detailed were extremely successful, so I just don't see why WotC would stop doing it. </p><p></p><p>One of my closest friends shares the same opinion, and I understand it. However, to me, if the new D&D books continue to sell well, new players keep coming to the hobby, and keeps D&D becoming more profitable than ever . . . that makes me think that "delivering a quality product" is extremely subjective, and that the vast majority of players either don't care about the recent changes, or are overwhelmingly in favor of them. </p><p></p><p>The way that people talk negatively on these changes borders on "badwrongfun", in my view. I can admit that even though I may like the majority of these changes, there are legitimate things to dislike about them, and it's okay to dislike the ones that I like. I'm fine with that. However, most of the time what I hear from the "other side" (the ones that are against the changes), it seems to be more "these changes are ruining D&D, people who like them are playing wrong/want D&D to stop being good, and WotC is 'pandering' to people online that have nothing to do with the hobby", which directly contrasts my experience in the game and the evidence of how successful D&D 5e continues to be after these changes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8513270, member: 7023887"] That's what I've been saying for a while now. There have been a ton of people using extreme and untrue hyperbole like "I guess all races are now exactly the same" and "WotC won't give us any lore anymore" because they dislike the recent changes. And I totally understand not liking the changes. I don't like a few of them, don't love a lot of the lore they've published in 5e, and I think they could be doing better than they are. I get not liking how D&D is now. But people use their being unsatisfied with current D&D to lie about it, saying "WotC will lose a ton of money for doing these changes", "D&D is no longer D&D anymore", and the like. And while I can get why they're saying stuff like this and wholly understand not liking these changes . . . that kind of talk is absolute BS, and is made up by the people that just want to rant about things that they don't like and take it to an extreme where they have now left reality and are attacking a strawman. And I don't claim to be perfect about this, either. I have fallen into the same trap, as well as the opposite of it. I know that. I was just pointing out successful examples of WotC having lore for the different D&D races in their setting-specific locations. Those books worked, made WotC a lot of money, and I don't expect them to ditch a working formula. I haven't seen anyone ever online ask/demad that WotC stop putting any cultures in their books, and the books that did have the cultures detailed were extremely successful, so I just don't see why WotC would stop doing it. One of my closest friends shares the same opinion, and I understand it. However, to me, if the new D&D books continue to sell well, new players keep coming to the hobby, and keeps D&D becoming more profitable than ever . . . that makes me think that "delivering a quality product" is extremely subjective, and that the vast majority of players either don't care about the recent changes, or are overwhelmingly in favor of them. The way that people talk negatively on these changes borders on "badwrongfun", in my view. I can admit that even though I may like the majority of these changes, there are legitimate things to dislike about them, and it's okay to dislike the ones that I like. I'm fine with that. However, most of the time what I hear from the "other side" (the ones that are against the changes), it seems to be more "these changes are ruining D&D, people who like them are playing wrong/want D&D to stop being good, and WotC is 'pandering' to people online that have nothing to do with the hobby", which directly contrasts my experience in the game and the evidence of how successful D&D 5e continues to be after these changes. [/QUOTE]
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