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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8456815" data-attributes="member: 5889">So Hypnotic Pattern is weaker than hold person. Paralysis is a stronger condition than incapacitated, and hypnotic pattern immediately fails with the use of damage or actions.That said, its the area that has generally been the problem. In &quot;really large fights&quot;, HP often is a speed bump, you cast it, some people get held up, their buddies can get them out. Still quite nasty, but not that OP.But where it really stings is that 5ish monster fight, one HP can often knock out most of the them, and once there is only 1-2 monsters the fight becomes somewhat trivial.Now the LU change here is a big deal, a 20 feet cube is a good bit smaller than a 30 foot one, so the enemies have to be pretty tightly packed in to get that same big effect. It still looks quite powerful, but it may be worth trying it out before a houserule.The other idea is to allow hypnotic pattern to only work on humanoids at first, upgrading it to all creatures at a higher level. This keeps it in a similar sphere to hold person.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8456815, member: 5889"] So Hypnotic Pattern is weaker than hold person. Paralysis is a stronger condition than incapacitated, and hypnotic pattern immediately fails with the use of damage or actions. That said, its the area that has generally been the problem. In "really large fights", HP often is a speed bump, you cast it, some people get held up, their buddies can get them out. Still quite nasty, but not that OP. But where it really stings is that 5ish monster fight, one HP can often knock out most of the them, and once there is only 1-2 monsters the fight becomes somewhat trivial. Now the LU change here is a big deal, a 20 feet cube is a good bit smaller than a 30 foot one, so the enemies have to be pretty tightly packed in to get that same big effect. It still looks quite powerful, but it may be worth trying it out before a houserule. The other idea is to allow hypnotic pattern to only work on humanoids at first, upgrading it to all creatures at a higher level. This keeps it in a similar sphere to hold person. [/QUOTE]

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