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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1279221" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>It all depends on what you call twisting, and every dm has a different limit that they will go to. These limits should be spelled out before the problems occur. For a lot of players looking at this spell and at some point going, 'hey, that guy we just had to fight the other day.. when I looked it up he could grant wishes, I could call one and have him grant me wishes!' Perfectly in character, reasonable, and even clever in some ways. Abusive? Perhaps, but that is a problem with the spell, not with the character or player trying to do creative things with it. If they had instead gated in some other creature for some other ability they had used on them then there probably wouldnt be a problem, unless it was too powerful for their level. Again, a problem with the spell, not with creative uses.</p><p></p><p>It just goes on and on. You have a problem with it, fine, most dm's probably would. Now that you are aware of it go fix it, dont complain about it here since as written it may very well be within the rules.</p><p></p><p>Take any creature that you gate in. If you take the route above about twisting the wish, as it seems at least some will, then anytime you give any gated creature a command it will probably do its utmost to make sure that backfires in some way. 'Hey big powerful dragon I just gated! Kill that guy over there!' "Whatever you say master, now I will kill you first and then kill him" or "all right, I will kill you both at the same time" or any number of other things.</p><p></p><p>At this point the spell is nearly worthless unless you spend the first 6 or 7 rounds saying all of the things not to do. Pretty well sucks as a combat spell then. Will any creatures at all be happy to be gated in? few if any.</p><p></p><p>See? I can go too far in the other direction as well. Obviously a badly worded, much needing of fixing spell. All agreed? Good then, lets move on, thanks all <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1279221, member: 5777"] It all depends on what you call twisting, and every dm has a different limit that they will go to. These limits should be spelled out before the problems occur. For a lot of players looking at this spell and at some point going, 'hey, that guy we just had to fight the other day.. when I looked it up he could grant wishes, I could call one and have him grant me wishes!' Perfectly in character, reasonable, and even clever in some ways. Abusive? Perhaps, but that is a problem with the spell, not with the character or player trying to do creative things with it. If they had instead gated in some other creature for some other ability they had used on them then there probably wouldnt be a problem, unless it was too powerful for their level. Again, a problem with the spell, not with creative uses. It just goes on and on. You have a problem with it, fine, most dm's probably would. Now that you are aware of it go fix it, dont complain about it here since as written it may very well be within the rules. Take any creature that you gate in. If you take the route above about twisting the wish, as it seems at least some will, then anytime you give any gated creature a command it will probably do its utmost to make sure that backfires in some way. 'Hey big powerful dragon I just gated! Kill that guy over there!' "Whatever you say master, now I will kill you first and then kill him" or "all right, I will kill you both at the same time" or any number of other things. At this point the spell is nearly worthless unless you spend the first 6 or 7 rounds saying all of the things not to do. Pretty well sucks as a combat spell then. Will any creatures at all be happy to be gated in? few if any. See? I can go too far in the other direction as well. Obviously a badly worded, much needing of fixing spell. All agreed? Good then, lets move on, thanks all ;) [/QUOTE]
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