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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1279291" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>You are right, it doesnt mean that anyone is, me least of all. I am merely tossing back what others have said in the exact opposite light. Devils advocate if you will, but if you dont like that feel free.</p><p></p><p>If one creature can choose to not follow what you say then any creature could choose not to do so. Letter of the law and all. If this is an option for one of your pc's to take then it should be made clear that this is what you consider 'abuse' and not 'cleverness'. That is all I am saying, and have said the same thing over and over again.</p><p></p><p>I'll just go over it again though I suppose. If it can be twisted one way, then it can be twisted another. If there is obviously a problem that can be exploited, and easily, while still seeming to stay within the actual intent of the spell then either you have to let it happen or change it. This thread is to try and show some abuses and help to change it appropriately perhaps.</p><p></p><p>Now, say there is a creature who is Lawful Good. The epitomy of lawful good in fact, and you are a follower of a lawful good god, one that this creature is a direct servent to. You gate it in, say that you want these wishes for the inherant bonuses in order to serve your diety better and be a stronger force for law and good in this plane. Now, why would it not capitulate? If you let it do this then you are granting the wishes which was the complaint. This gets around your evil guy twisting, or someone with cross motives. He may even 'want' to do it since at this level you may be a favorite of this god anyway. Now he has +5 inherant to all of his stats for an incredibly reduced cost.</p><p></p><p>So is there a problem? with the efreet? with this guy? elsewhere? If you dont believe that the character should get the wishes then neither case should work, if you believe the second should work then there has to be a way to make the first work as well. Pick one, either they both 'could' work or neither could.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1279291, member: 5777"] You are right, it doesnt mean that anyone is, me least of all. I am merely tossing back what others have said in the exact opposite light. Devils advocate if you will, but if you dont like that feel free. If one creature can choose to not follow what you say then any creature could choose not to do so. Letter of the law and all. If this is an option for one of your pc's to take then it should be made clear that this is what you consider 'abuse' and not 'cleverness'. That is all I am saying, and have said the same thing over and over again. I'll just go over it again though I suppose. If it can be twisted one way, then it can be twisted another. If there is obviously a problem that can be exploited, and easily, while still seeming to stay within the actual intent of the spell then either you have to let it happen or change it. This thread is to try and show some abuses and help to change it appropriately perhaps. Now, say there is a creature who is Lawful Good. The epitomy of lawful good in fact, and you are a follower of a lawful good god, one that this creature is a direct servent to. You gate it in, say that you want these wishes for the inherant bonuses in order to serve your diety better and be a stronger force for law and good in this plane. Now, why would it not capitulate? If you let it do this then you are granting the wishes which was the complaint. This gets around your evil guy twisting, or someone with cross motives. He may even 'want' to do it since at this level you may be a favorite of this god anyway. Now he has +5 inherant to all of his stats for an incredibly reduced cost. So is there a problem? with the efreet? with this guy? elsewhere? If you dont believe that the character should get the wishes then neither case should work, if you believe the second should work then there has to be a way to make the first work as well. Pick one, either they both 'could' work or neither could. [/QUOTE]
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