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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 3799970" data-attributes="member: 29252">Well, it comes back to how abuseable you want it to be.If Polymorph (4th level spell) can be applied to someone and grant them spell-like abilities, then suddenly you've got a Wizard preparing Polymoph in every slot and turning everyone into Efreeti, one at a time, and harvesting 12 Wishes a day in a party of four - which is rather broken.If Polymorph (4th level spell) can turn a melee-capable rogue into a Hydra that can get ten Sneak Attacks in with a standard action, then the spell is rather broken (current situation).If you can make spells stick around between forms, there's going to be fairly readily abuseable combinations as you can make a character who gets all the abilities of the critter, plus a bunch from your pre-existing buff spells; it permits you to increase your CR above what it theoretically should be - at which point, it becomes a problem.Now, other than certain problematic abilities (such as the Efreeti's three Wishes, Create Spawn effects, Dominate effects, and a few other things), if you're losing the abilities of the character it's fine to pick up the full abilities of the monster - provided the switch is based on the CR of the monster, not the hit dice.  However, filtering the problematic abilities is the problem.Even without the Su and Sp abilities, and Ex special qualities, though, there's still a lot of very useful combat forms to polymorph someone into; all that CR 12 Purple Worm loses is tremorsense, for instance; it's still a GREAT form for that fighter that's right next to the opposing mage.  It's still a very, very good way to bypass most out-of-combat obstacles: Chasm?  Flying forms.  Water?  Swim speed, coming right up.  Wall?  Burrow it is!  Poisonous air?  Elementals are immune (as are Undead, Constructs, and a few other things).  Dropping such just make some forms more or less attractive than others... which is the case anyway.</blockquote>

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