Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Listened to latest "Lore you should know" and......
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="ProgBard" data-source="post: 7011238" data-attributes="member: 6803722"><p>There are two issues with this, though, one practical and one aesthetic.</p><p></p><p>On the practical end, providing this takes work, and D&D is a skeleton crew. Everyone on staff has quite enough to do without adding "Keeper of the Faerun Timeline" to someone's list of titles.</p><p></p><p>But further, it's clear that the D&D team wants to avoid setting up one chain of events as the "official" version, artificially elevating its status to The Way Things Really Happened. Because what this does is subtly de-legitimize whatever decisions you made at your table, and they don't want to send that message. The furthest they're going to go is suggest that <em>maybe </em>the things going on in this other campaign had an effect on this one, but not so strongly that it won't work if that doesn't ring your bell. It's not a cop-out; it's a gift of empowerment to everyone's table that their version of Realms history from here on out isn't a poor shadow of the "real"* one.</p><p></p><p>So if that feels like a slap in the face to you ... well, I'm not about to yuck on your yum, but I have a hard time sympathizing with a point of view that's <em>insulted </em>by a message of "Your vision is no less important than ours." Do the hardback campaigns happen in chronological order? They do if you want 'em to. What are the Red Wizards up to these days? You tell us. And with this comes a subtle, but important, subtext that there will no longer be "correct" answers to these questions that That One Player who knows all this stuff better than everyone else can use to cudgel all the other players at the table.</p><p></p><p>I mean, I can't tell you how to feel about this, but I'll tell you how it feels to be on the other side of it: lousy, is what. There's a reason metaplot fell out of fashion in a hobby that's supposed to be about the stories <em>you </em>tell; there's no way to establish "official" ongoing lore without it running roughshod over someone's campaign and rendering it less important by comparison. The Spellplague was just the most egregious example of this (Hey, was your campaign set in Starmantle? Oops, we just wiped it off the map), but it's inevitable even if you don't ruin everyone's day with a Realms-Shattering Event. Which means that, unfortunately, there's no way to make everyone happy with this. WotC has recognized (rightly, to my way of thinking) that arbitrating certain kinds of canon <em>is itself a problem</em>, and they're not going to do that any more, and there's no way to both do it and not do it. Given that, I think they've threaded the needle pretty neatly here.</p><p></p><p>*Which, Frank Miller's kind of a wangrod, but there's perhaps some helpful perspective in his famous answer to a fan who asked if the events in <em>The Dark Knight Returns</em> "really" happened: "No. It's a comic book."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ProgBard, post: 7011238, member: 6803722"] There are two issues with this, though, one practical and one aesthetic. On the practical end, providing this takes work, and D&D is a skeleton crew. Everyone on staff has quite enough to do without adding "Keeper of the Faerun Timeline" to someone's list of titles. But further, it's clear that the D&D team wants to avoid setting up one chain of events as the "official" version, artificially elevating its status to The Way Things Really Happened. Because what this does is subtly de-legitimize whatever decisions you made at your table, and they don't want to send that message. The furthest they're going to go is suggest that [I]maybe [/I]the things going on in this other campaign had an effect on this one, but not so strongly that it won't work if that doesn't ring your bell. It's not a cop-out; it's a gift of empowerment to everyone's table that their version of Realms history from here on out isn't a poor shadow of the "real"* one. So if that feels like a slap in the face to you ... well, I'm not about to yuck on your yum, but I have a hard time sympathizing with a point of view that's [I]insulted [/I]by a message of "Your vision is no less important than ours." Do the hardback campaigns happen in chronological order? They do if you want 'em to. What are the Red Wizards up to these days? You tell us. And with this comes a subtle, but important, subtext that there will no longer be "correct" answers to these questions that That One Player who knows all this stuff better than everyone else can use to cudgel all the other players at the table. I mean, I can't tell you how to feel about this, but I'll tell you how it feels to be on the other side of it: lousy, is what. There's a reason metaplot fell out of fashion in a hobby that's supposed to be about the stories [I]you [/I]tell; there's no way to establish "official" ongoing lore without it running roughshod over someone's campaign and rendering it less important by comparison. The Spellplague was just the most egregious example of this (Hey, was your campaign set in Starmantle? Oops, we just wiped it off the map), but it's inevitable even if you don't ruin everyone's day with a Realms-Shattering Event. Which means that, unfortunately, there's no way to make everyone happy with this. WotC has recognized (rightly, to my way of thinking) that arbitrating certain kinds of canon [I]is itself a problem[/I], and they're not going to do that any more, and there's no way to both do it and not do it. Given that, I think they've threaded the needle pretty neatly here. *Which, Frank Miller's kind of a wangrod, but there's perhaps some helpful perspective in his famous answer to a fan who asked if the events in [I]The Dark Knight Returns[/I] "really" happened: "No. It's a comic book." [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Listened to latest "Lore you should know" and......
Top