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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 1065807" data-attributes="member: 1704">I was looking through the DMG and noticed the following:Note that the DC is 10 higher when the invisible creature is holding still versus active.  Granted, this section is covering Spot checks, not Listen checks, but perhaps one could use this as a precedent.The standard DC for Listen is 10 (someone with no skill and average Dex using Move Silently while moving up to half speed).  Someone whispering is DC 15.  It seems reasonable then that someone holding still is DC 20, i.e. 10 better than normal Move Silently.  I wouldn't technically call holding still "taking 20" on Move Silently, but I agree with Drawmack that there is something intuitive about giving them 20 + Move Silently for keeping still, and this fits it.Since people whispering is DC 15, i.e. 5 higher than if they were holding still (according to the proposed mechanism) but 5 lower than if they were moving up to half speed, perhaps we can infer the following modifiers to a base Listen DC of 10 (or to a Move Silently roll):DC mod   Condition-20.......Heavy activity (e.g. a battle; actively calling for help; running or charging)-10.......Solid activity (e.g. people talking at normal volume; parlor music)-5........Moderate activity (e.g. movement at normal speed; rummaging through a sack of junk) +0........Light activity (e.g. movement at half speed; eating with utensils at a table)+5........Very light activity (e.g. people whispering; turning pages of a book and sipping a drink)+10.......Nil activity (e.g. holding still; unconscious but breathing)If you add the base of 10 to the values on the list, you reconstruct the original Listen table DCs for battle, talking, moving at half speed, and whispering, as well as the moving at full speed from the Move Silently description.  The last row contains the proposed number for virtually no activity.  I've added what I think are appropriate additional examples for each category.I'd be interested to know what people think, or if people have alternative suggestions dealing with this.Thanks,MC</blockquote>

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