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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5588791" data-attributes="member: 463">D&amp;D-derived games and books do have the trope; most fantasy CRPGs seem to start you off hunting rats in the cellar, and end with fighting Mephistopheles or somesuch.&nbsp; And it crops up in some D&amp;D-influenced fantasy literature.&nbsp; My argument is that the older literary model makes for a more practical campaign, for most people.&nbsp; And it has a further advantage I didn't discuss: PCs don't 'grow out of' their place in the world.&nbsp; The hobbits can go home to the Shire: they're now bad-ass hobbits, but they're not the New Kings of Gondor.&nbsp; Elric starts Epic, the greatest sorceror in the Young Kingdoms, and stays Epic.&nbsp; Mouser &amp; Fafhrd start as bad-asses who can take down the Thieves' Guild, and end as more powerful bad-asses.&nbsp; I think there are significant advantages in PC creation especially at higher level to be able to say &quot;This Guy is a Paragon Hero&quot; and give him a backstory which reflects that - because sadly, develop-in-play does not always do that, especially if you're running published adventures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5588791, member: 463"] D&D-derived games and books do have the trope; most fantasy CRPGs seem to start you off hunting rats in the cellar, and end with fighting Mephistopheles or somesuch. And it crops up in some D&D-influenced fantasy literature. My argument is that the older literary model makes for a more practical campaign, for most people. And it has a further advantage I didn't discuss: PCs don't 'grow out of' their place in the world. The hobbits can go home to the Shire: they're now bad-ass hobbits, but they're not the New Kings of Gondor. Elric starts Epic, the greatest sorceror in the Young Kingdoms, and stays Epic. Mouser & Fafhrd start as bad-asses who can take down the Thieves' Guild, and end as more powerful bad-asses. I think there are significant advantages in PC creation especially at higher level to be able to say "This Guy is a Paragon Hero" and give him a backstory which reflects that - because sadly, develop-in-play does not always do that, especially if you're running published adventures. [/QUOTE]

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