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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8432206" data-attributes="member: 7030563">This is not true.  Monks in 5E have the same hps as Rogues and are 1hp behind fighters per level. In 1e they were behind Fighters at every level and behind Thieves at every level after 1st.  Even with a 16 constitution, when a Monk has the 2500xp to make level 2 the Thief with a 16 con is at level 3 and is 3hps ahead of the Monk.  He gets further ahead at every level after that.  By the time the Monk has the 3.2M xp to make 17th level the thief is 24th level.  That assumes the Monk won every single challenge or else the thief would be even further ahead and the monk has to stop there and even defend his position to avoid dropping to 16th level.  The thief keeps going up and up with every enemy he kills and go he finds.</blockquote>