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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3761710" data-attributes="member: 1656">So is your SRD quote, as it happens.The SRD on the Wizards site doesn't include the 'Note:' portion.&nbsp; It looks like someone at d20srd.org attempted to summarise the text from the PHB that's left out in the SRD... and got it wrong.According to the d20srd.org note, someone with 15 feet of reach threatens three diagonal squares, 20 feet 4, and so on, right?&nbsp; Which isn't what the original PHB text states at all.The exception provided in the PHB is that 10 feet of reach = 2 diagonal squares... not that every 5 feet of reach = 1 diagonal square.Which makes sense - if you don't make this exception, there's a 'hole' in the longspear's coverage, where someone can walk up to you without ever entering a threatened square.&nbsp; This is an artefact of the grid system; obviously, at some point, that person is 10 feet away, but on the grid they go directly from 15 feet to 5 feet without being threatened.This doesn't happen with, say, a Large creature with a reach weapon; even without fudging the diagonals, nobody can walk right up to them without passing through a threatened square.&nbsp; So the fudge is unnecessary for reach longer than 10 feet.End result?&nbsp; For the human with the longspear, it's true that he threatens two squares diagonal (and Meeki, as you note, is incorrect).&nbsp; But the Note from your quote is inaccurate in its details.&nbsp; (Now it could, perhaps, be argued that the opposite of Meeki's assertion is true - that the exception applies only to reach weapons, and not to natural 10' reach...)My feeling is that if d20srd.org are going to host an SRD, they should include the text of the SRD, and not try to add extra bits...-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3761710, member: 1656"] So is your SRD quote, as it happens. The SRD on the Wizards site doesn't include the 'Note:' portion. It looks like someone at d20srd.org attempted to summarise the text from the PHB that's left out in the SRD... and got it wrong. According to the d20srd.org note, someone with 15 feet of reach threatens three diagonal squares, 20 feet 4, and so on, right? Which isn't what the original PHB text states at all. The exception provided in the PHB is that 10 feet of reach = 2 diagonal squares... not that every 5 feet of reach = 1 diagonal square. Which makes sense - if you don't make this exception, there's a 'hole' in the longspear's coverage, where someone can walk up to you without ever entering a threatened square. This is an artefact of the grid system; obviously, at some point, that person is 10 feet away, but on the grid they go directly from 15 feet to 5 feet without being threatened. This doesn't happen with, say, a Large creature with a reach weapon; even without fudging the diagonals, nobody can walk right up to them without passing through a threatened square. So the fudge is unnecessary for reach longer than 10 feet. End result? For the human with the longspear, it's true that he threatens two squares diagonal (and Meeki, as you note, is incorrect). But the Note from your quote is inaccurate in its details. (Now it could, perhaps, be argued that the [i]opposite[/i] of Meeki's assertion is true - that the exception applies only to reach weapons, and not to natural 10' reach...) My feeling is that if d20srd.org are going to host an SRD, they should include the text [i]of the SRD[/i], and not try to add extra bits... -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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