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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eamon" data-source="post: 3810910" data-attributes="member: 51942">Reading reincarnate sounds to me like it's removing racial adjustments to Strength, Dexterity and Constitution.  That's what the context suggests.  Now, if you'd have suggested that a reincarnated creature doesn't lose his old racial (Ex, Su) abilities but still gains those of the new form, I would still think that's probably not how the spell is best read, but that's less obvious from the immediate context, since the spell only speaks of gaining the new form's abilities and (unless I'm missing something?) never says a word about the old forms racial abilities.  Does an Ex-Drow retain his Spell Resistance when reincarnated?The spell opens other questions too - since you retain your class levels or HD (losing "just" one), when you turn into a form with racial HD, do you gain those?  Do you instead lose more class levels to compensate? Do you simply become that race without racial HD?  What's the CR (and LA) of such a form?  Even two races with LA 0 and no racial HD can be problematic if combined - say a Grey elf reincarnated as an Orc or Dwarf.This is relevant to the question at hand, since it means that reincarnate requires DM-adjudication anyhow, which means that further details like whether you need to remove mental ability modifiers don't really make that problem much bigger - though I still think that as written you really should retain (and thus not remove) the original race's adjustments to the mental ability scores.</blockquote>

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