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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6898791" data-attributes="member: 2067">The interesting corollary to this that took a while for me to digest: this doesn't prevent, say, an Eldritch Knight using Action Surge to cast two spells in a turn...unless it uses a bonus action spell.This is so entwined with the ambiguity of "when combat starts." If someone is shot by an arrow from someone they didn't see and weren't aware of, does combat start BEFORE the arrow is fired? After the hit occurs? RAI seems to indicate the first, but that creates the (intentional?) weirdness of "monster gets a turn and is no longer surprised by the sniper attack that might now not happen because the creature is no longer surprised." ....it's real hard to wrap your mind around the idea that when the hidden assassin says "I stab the bugbear as it wanders close to me," you have to:1) Roll initiative.2) If the Bugbear wins, figure out what it is doing with its "turn" since it doesn't know it is threatened, but it is now not surprised?3) the hidden assassin has a turn, and then can either stab the unsurprised bugbear, or...not..now?4) Maybe the hidden assassin waits until the bugbear comes by again to stab it, hoping it rolls lower on init this time?That kind of holds together, but it's real counter-intuitive!</blockquote>