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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Olrox17" data-source="post: 6899509" data-attributes="member: 6801397">I'm just asking for clarification. After all, this discussion wouldn't have happened without different interpretations of the rules, right? Pass without trace was just there to give a justification for a full stealth party. You can remove it from the example and assume the entire party is stealthy (for whatever reason, good rolls, good skills etc). Assassinate could relevant though. But you can ignore it if you wish, it's a secondary concern.The most important questions about my hypothetical scenario were: 1-Does combat start (i.e. initiative is rolled for everyone) when one of the characters declares an attack and a target? 2-Or do you require that each character specifies an action and a target before initiative is rolled? Edit: I should probably clarify further. I'm a DM in a game in which the entire party is trained in stealth with good dex. Two of the PCs are rogues (expertise stealth), one is a bard (expertise stealth) and another is a shadow monk (shadow monks get to cast pass without trace). You can see how my hypothetical scenario can be a very common occurrence in my game.</blockquote>