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Message: <blockquote data-quote="machineelf" data-source="post: 6900608" data-attributes="member: 6774924">I'm often surprised at other people's interpretation of a rule that seems simple to me. Without meaning to sound rude to anyone, I think some of you guys have the idea wrong. I am definitely open to being shown that I am wrong, but it seems clear to me that the action and first round begin after the attack is made. There are no taskie backsies.1 - Assassin (hidden): "I'm going to shoot my bow at the unaware guard!"2 - DM: "You unleash your arrow from your hidden place. Roll initiative."3 - Initiative is rolled. Guard wins.4. - DM: "The guard is quick enough that he gets a reaction if he has one to take. As the arrow is flying in the air he sees it out of the corner of his eye. He takes his reaction, but if he doesn't have one, he is caught completely unaware."And that's it. The guard is STILL surprised even if he is quick enough to take a last-second reaction to the incoming attack. (Of course he has to have a reaction ability to use, which most people don't.) Is there some rule I'm missing that says the action and initiative start before the attack is made?</blockquote>