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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 6900730" data-attributes="member: 6802765">Basically what Plaguescarred said. I usually assume PCs consider all objective threats to be subjective threats. When there is a question, I rely on a contest (if the threat is purposefully trying to conceal its threatening nature) or a check (if other circumstances might conceal the threat).In the other direction, where the threat posed by the PCs may go unnoticed by the NPC opponents, I either use a die roll as described above, or, since the perceptions of NPCs are entirely up to me, simply grant the PCs surprise by fiat.Examples:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A threat trying to remain entirely unnoticed: Stealth vs (Passive) Perception, as described in the example in the book.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Getting close to someone in a tightly-packed, anonymous crowd without appearing threatening: Deception or (maybe) Sleight of Hand vs Perception, or Passive Perception, or Insight, or Passive Insight, depending on the specific circumstances.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A sorcerer casting a Subtle Dominate Person to have the target unexpectedly attack its allies: Fixed-DC Insight check if observed between the casting and the sorcerer spending his next action to assume total control, or the sorcerer's Deception (possibly at disadvantage) vs Insight if observed after assumption of total control.</li> </ul></blockquote>