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<blockquote data-quote="Vince_Snetterton" data-source="post: 8464971" data-attributes="member: 7033114"><p>OK, how appealing to logic and reading comprehension then? </p><p></p><p>Joe the Fighter has been turned into an Undead, by say, being killed, blowing his death saves, and then Animate Dead cast on the corpse (which by the rules is now an object) by the Evil Necromancer. Joe the Fighter is now a Zombie.</p><p></p><p>Joe's friends, all 5th level, find Joe the Now Zombie, some 10 minutes after he failed his last Death Save, and say, 8 minutes after he was turned into a Zombie. They recognize the Zombie are their former friend by the feather boa Joe always wore into combat. </p><p></p><p>So Joe's friends concoct a plan. They will simply have the Cleric cast Revivify on Joe the Zombie's corpse, immediately after "killing" the Zombie version of Joe.</p><p></p><p>Yeah....small problem with that. Raise Dead, a 5th level spell, and VASTLY more powerful than Revivify has this line in the spell: " The spell can't return an <strong>undead</strong> creature to life." But we are to believe that a 3rd level spell can do what a 5th level spell cannot do. </p><p></p><p>This is what drives me nuts. Players will willfully ignore the language in the rules because the rules don't allow to them to do what they want, or think is "cool". </p><p></p><p>Oh, and while we are at it, we can examine other more powerful spells:</p><p>6th level Heal: From the spell writeup: "This spell has no effect on constructs or <strong>undead</strong>."</p><p>7th level Resurrect: From the spell writeup: "You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't <strong>undead"</strong></p><p></p><p>So yeah, I am pretty confident that Crawford knew what he was talking about when he made his ruling in Twitter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vince_Snetterton, post: 8464971, member: 7033114"] OK, how appealing to logic and reading comprehension then? Joe the Fighter has been turned into an Undead, by say, being killed, blowing his death saves, and then Animate Dead cast on the corpse (which by the rules is now an object) by the Evil Necromancer. Joe the Fighter is now a Zombie. Joe's friends, all 5th level, find Joe the Now Zombie, some 10 minutes after he failed his last Death Save, and say, 8 minutes after he was turned into a Zombie. They recognize the Zombie are their former friend by the feather boa Joe always wore into combat. So Joe's friends concoct a plan. They will simply have the Cleric cast Revivify on Joe the Zombie's corpse, immediately after "killing" the Zombie version of Joe. Yeah....small problem with that. Raise Dead, a 5th level spell, and VASTLY more powerful than Revivify has this line in the spell: " The spell can't return an [B]undead[/B] creature to life." But we are to believe that a 3rd level spell can do what a 5th level spell cannot do. This is what drives me nuts. Players will willfully ignore the language in the rules because the rules don't allow to them to do what they want, or think is "cool". Oh, and while we are at it, we can examine other more powerful spells: 6th level Heal: From the spell writeup: "This spell has no effect on constructs or [B]undead[/B]." 7th level Resurrect: From the spell writeup: "You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't [B]undead"[/B] So yeah, I am pretty confident that Crawford knew what he was talking about when he made his ruling in Twitter. [/QUOTE]
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