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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6178548" data-attributes="member: 7635">No. My argument is that both classes have unique mechanics that require careful balance to work or else they end up either broken or weak. Rather than trying to cram them into Fighter or Cleric, they can be best realized with specially balanced classes and their own subclasses. That said, I might be able to see a rageless barbarian-like subclass for fighter.What. What! WHAT!?!?I guess if you play them as toe-to-toe hacking machines whose only goal is to deliver 2-6 sneak attacks per round, then yes they are the same design space. Thankfully, D&D has never treated the rogue as a fighter. Rogues have lower HD, slower attack bonus, lighter armor and smaller weapons, and 4 times as many skill points and 1/3 as many feats. Before that, thieves had 8 unique skills fighters could not replicate including the use of magic scrolls. Totally the same. By your logic, a cleric and a wizard occupy the same design space; they use their spells primarily inside and outside of combat. They are just remixed differently. But go ahead and believe they're the same. I'm just glad the D&D Next designers don't share your "vision."</blockquote>