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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rya.Reisender" data-source="post: 6785832" data-attributes="member: 6801585">Actually I just noticed something. When you look on the page where you find the map in Cragmaw Castle, on the right hand side is an illustration of the stitched leather sack with some coins and a map in the background. The map doesn't actually show any landscape, but rather a dwarven mine complex (which is not Wave Echo Cave). Maybe Wave Echo Cave is actually hidden deep inside a mine and the map actually shows the path from the mine entrance to the Wave Echo Cave rather than showing where on the world map the cave lies.So it could be that the adventurers need both Gundren and the map. Gundren to know where the entrance to the mine is and the map to find the cave from the mine entrance.</blockquote>