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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 1915088" data-attributes="member: 9254">Actually, you showed me the rules on Spellcraft being used to identify the spell which did point out Spellcraft is useless on anything that is still &amp; silent (and assuming there's no visible spell effect).&nbsp; The only rules I've seen say &quot;if you cast a spell in combat, you take an AoO because you are distracted&quot; but nothing says &quot;when you cast a spell, everyone knows you are casting a spell.&quot;&nbsp; Let's try different logic.&nbsp; How do you tell the difference between a wizard who casts Detect Magic and a&nbsp; fighter who pronounces identical syllables with the same hand gestures?&nbsp; Both appear to be a spell but only one of them is casting.&nbsp; The fighter, btw, does not draw an AoO but he probably sacrifices a standard action for the hand waiving.&nbsp;&nbsp; Had he mimed spiderclimb he would because eating/drinking evokes an AoO (see the section on Potions).&nbsp; If someone ready's an action vs. spellcasting and the target uses a psionics power would you disallow it because the attacker &quot;knows it isn't spellcasting so that's not what the readied for&quot;?&nbsp; What about a spell-like ability?I'll point out that counterspelling involves a spellcraft check as a free action which would allow you to recognize fake casting (DC15 as if spell level 0).&nbsp; The &quot;ready action against spellcasting&quot; would be whenever the target get's that spaced-out, &quot;I deserve an AoO&quot; look more than complete assurance that they can recognize spellcasting 100% of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 1915088, member: 9254"] Actually, you showed me the rules on Spellcraft being used to identify the spell which did point out Spellcraft is useless on anything that is still & silent (and assuming there's no visible spell effect). The only rules I've seen say "if you cast a spell in combat, you take an AoO because you are distracted" but nothing says "when you cast a spell, everyone knows you are casting a spell." Let's try different logic. How do you tell the difference between a wizard who casts Detect Magic and a fighter who pronounces identical syllables with the same hand gestures? Both appear to be a spell but only one of them is casting. The fighter, btw, does not draw an AoO but he probably sacrifices a standard action for the hand waiving. Had he mimed spiderclimb he would because eating/drinking evokes an AoO (see the section on Potions). If someone ready's an action vs. spellcasting and the target uses a psionics power would you disallow it because the attacker "knows it isn't spellcasting so that's not what the readied for"? What about a spell-like ability? I'll point out that counterspelling involves a spellcraft check as a free action which would allow you to recognize fake casting (DC15 as if spell level 0). The "ready action against spellcasting" would be whenever the target get's that spaced-out, "I deserve an AoO" look more than complete assurance that they can recognize spellcasting 100% of the time. [/QUOTE]

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