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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 1922065" data-attributes="member: 15999"><p>I would say "no." </p><p>Non-spellcasters might see something that they think is magic, and be inclined to believe it is magic, especially if they see a visible effect. However, they could also fail to recognize actual spellcasting in certain situations and mis-identify fake casting as real. </p><p></p><p>If the elven archer prays for accuracy, concentrates, aims, and lets an arrow fly, how can a human onlooker tell whether or not he just cast <em>True Strike</em>? Is it the language of magic that is so well-known and distinctive? If it is the language, then how are onlookers identifying wildshaped druid casters? If it is not the language, then how are still spells identified?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that discussion about the Rules belongs in the "Rules" forum. That entails more than "What is the strict constructionist interpretation of the rules as written?" </p><p>Discussion about the rules can also be "Do the rules as written make any sort logical sense?" or "What is the apparent intent of the designers in writing this rule?"</p><p></p><p>Sage rulings and FAQ are both part of the Rules; in the past, they have made rulings tossing out bizzarely counter-intuitive literalist applications of the rules as written. This seems to set a precedent on bizzarely counter-intuitive literalist applications. The alleged ability of untrained persons to recognize still casting implies that the language of magic is the identifying trait. Therefore, untrained persons would not recognize a wildshaped druid casting a still spell, because the language is different. You are saying "It doesn't matter how they recognize magic, they just do," correct?</p><p></p><p>You *have* to postulate some house rules for the rules to make any logical sense. Maybe spellcasting always has some visible component of sparkling pixie dust around the caster, fine, at least now you can explain how untrained people can recognize spellcasting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 1922065, member: 15999"] I would say "no." Non-spellcasters might see something that they think is magic, and be inclined to believe it is magic, especially if they see a visible effect. However, they could also fail to recognize actual spellcasting in certain situations and mis-identify fake casting as real. If the elven archer prays for accuracy, concentrates, aims, and lets an arrow fly, how can a human onlooker tell whether or not he just cast [I]True Strike[/I]? Is it the language of magic that is so well-known and distinctive? If it is the language, then how are onlookers identifying wildshaped druid casters? If it is not the language, then how are still spells identified? I think that discussion about the Rules belongs in the "Rules" forum. That entails more than "What is the strict constructionist interpretation of the rules as written?" Discussion about the rules can also be "Do the rules as written make any sort logical sense?" or "What is the apparent intent of the designers in writing this rule?" Sage rulings and FAQ are both part of the Rules; in the past, they have made rulings tossing out bizzarely counter-intuitive literalist applications of the rules as written. This seems to set a precedent on bizzarely counter-intuitive literalist applications. The alleged ability of untrained persons to recognize still casting implies that the language of magic is the identifying trait. Therefore, untrained persons would not recognize a wildshaped druid casting a still spell, because the language is different. You are saying "It doesn't matter how they recognize magic, they just do," correct? You *have* to postulate some house rules for the rules to make any logical sense. Maybe spellcasting always has some visible component of sparkling pixie dust around the caster, fine, at least now you can explain how untrained people can recognize spellcasting. [/QUOTE]
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