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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Akunin" data-source="post: 270614" data-attributes="member: 15">That's the problem with the OAV and TV series - and ESPECIALLY with the extras portions.  They're based on the writer's take on the setting, and not necessarily on the source material.  Just look at episodes 9+ in the OAV:  what happens in those episodes does not reflect the actual novels' storyline.Elves in Lodoss do not fly, but nearly every elf DOES, posess some skill with magic, and levitation spells are frequently used to augment their high agility.Natural grace can be covered under Dexterity, and as for natural beauty - nowhere in the series do people react to elves' beauty any more than they do to attractive humans.  I initially thought of the scene at the ball when Deedlit wore the fancy dress, but the reaction of those women seemed to be one of surprise at seeing a) an elf in b) that fancy gown (the womens dresses were pretty plain in comparison).  Remember, nobody else in that scene (or in any other scene that I recall) makes a big deal about Deedlit's appearance.  Deedlit also makes a comment about how Elves don't dress up like humans do.  There are other references in the source material that suggest Elves don't attach much value to physical beauty, instead revering the beauty of nature.  As a whole, the race is short-tempered, xenophobic, and condescending toward the "children" of the short-lived races.taken as a whole it, sounds like a CHA penalty to me (Anime Kidd, you have a good idea here, but you might want to word it to reflect that they have a penalty to CHA checks and CHA-based skills - if the penalty is to all actions, that would include attacks <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> ) .  CHA is more about how you interact with others and present yourself, and not so much based on raw appearance (Hence, the old Comeliness stat?)Remember, I'm basing my information on multiple Manga series, the novels, the console RPG, the original tabletop RPG, and the two animated series.  There is a lot of original background information that you're missing, and none of it supports high-charisma flying elves.Eh?  That statement makes no sense at all.  By that logic, any character from Dragonball Z has a higher Charisma than all the members of the Night Sabers (Bubblegum Crisis and sequels), the Dirty Pair,  and the Gunsmith Cats combined!  Number of character shrines != relative Charisma of a given character.Saying that the RPG not giving a Charisma bonus to elves is a mistake because there are a lot of internet fan sites for a popular elf character is the most rediculous notion I've heard all year.  It's hormone-addled otakus (and, yes, I use that word in the negative sense) drooling over Deedlit (because they don't have the courage or social skills to get a cute girlfriend of their own, since Anime babes are much less intimidating than the real thing) who are responsible for the majority of those shrines.  In the source material, they suffer no penalty at all for sunlight, and operate in the daytime in several places throughout even the animated series (Legend of Crystania, while not necessarily "canon", has Pirotess exposed to quite a lot of sunlight, IIRC).  The reason you see them operating at night is that many of the "monster" races they lead into battle are nocturnal.About the "Dark Island" - it was called so because it was considered to be cursed, and not because it got any less sunlight than the rest of the world.  It's a metaphor.The only differences between the High Elves and the Dark Elves are the color of skin, and the Dark Elves' general tendency toward evil.  It is suggested that they are not as long-lived as High Elves, but I don't recall anything that directly states their lifespan.  Much like the D&D Drow, the Dark Elves split from the High Elves to serve evil, and were marked for their betrayal.  There was, however, no other transformation, and they gained no other abilities.Someone asked about other elven races in Lodoss.  High Elves are the "normal" elves in Lodoss, and the Dark Elves are the only other "true" elf race in the setting.   There are half-elves in the setting (Leaf comes to mind) and they posess the night vision of all elves, higher than human agility, and longer than human lifespans (2x human, IIRC).</blockquote>

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