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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 3590714" data-attributes="member: 33060">Well, let's look at that for a moment.  Prior to the Folio, Greyhawk existed as a reference in some adventures.  It did not exist as a fully functional  setting.  One had only bits and pieces to work with.  Context beyond a purely local nature was almost totally lacking.  Interrelationships between the pieces was similarly lacking.  Greyhawk only became a functional setting with the Folio.  Certainly, the earlier adventure references whetted the appetite but the payoff - the meal - was the full setting treatment of the Folio.If we want to imagine a contemporary equivalent, Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk might beget another adventure or two, or three that used Greyhawk as background but the payoff would not be there until a new setting treatment was presented.  So far, just what Wotc imagines as the payoff for good sales of Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk remains unclear.  The "three's a crowd" setting limit strongly suggests that appetites whet by adventures, no matter how well they sell, cannot be paid off with a full setting treatment because there are only two slots for settings and they are filled. Nothing indicates Greyhawk can get paid off with a new setting treatment.  Of course, Wotc might have a new setting treatment in mind but nothing suggests it and, in fact, all empirical evidence is to the contrary as the two setting rule has not even been hinted at being revisited, let alone revised.Knowing what is publically available to know, I don't see any conclusion other than that the sales of Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk are irrelevant to the Greyhawk setting and can at best see only the publication of some more adventures that use Greyhawk as a backdrop.I'm sure you recognize that Greyhawk's use as the backdrop for an adventure, even allowing for some explaination of the particulars of the backdrop necessary to frame the adventure, is distinct from the presentation of Greyhawk as a functional setting.  The desire (at least by many) is for a setting that can support published or home brew adventures within a consistent context.  That is not achieved with adventures alone, no matter how well grounded in the setting.  I think it worth noting that this desire is born, not just out of personal desire by established fans of Greyhawk, but out of an equal desire of many of those fans to see _new_ fans become drawn to Greyhawk so that it may be profitable for Wotc to more regularly support the setting.  In this, I think Wotc's interests and those of a goodly portion of Greyhawk fandom should align.  Along this line, I think Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk will be well met but would be more enthusiastically looked forward to if there was some thought that its success could potentially be paid off in a new setting treatment.  Talk of "tests" without more rings somewhat hollow otherwise.</blockquote>

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