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<blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 3590729" data-attributes="member: 33060">I agree 110% that the use of Greyhawk as &quot;core&quot; or &quot;default&quot; should end.&nbsp; Personally, I treat all 3X Greyhawk references as canon, as much as any other prior, published Greyhawk specific references.&nbsp; Moreso, given the statements in the D&amp;D Gazateer.&nbsp; To that end, and seeing no one else doing so, I've been cataloging the 3X GH references for my own use, following Jason Zavoda's previous, and phenominal, example.&nbsp; Doing so has been unsettling from a contextual standpoint.&nbsp; 3X Greyhawk references rarely support each other in a consistent fashion.&nbsp; In slightly more cases, they are contradictory.&nbsp; However, in the vast majority of cases, they simply ignore one another, going off in myriad directions simultaneously and aimlessly.&nbsp; The result is like an increasingly overgrown hedge that I despair ever being pruned.&nbsp; A hedge that threatens to swallow up the other landscaping.First things first.&nbsp; IMO, the &quot;core&quot; or &quot;default&quot; use of Greyhawk needs to come to a halt.&nbsp; Then, a new setting treatment is essential, if for no other reason than to deal with the shaggy dog the &quot;core&quot; or &quot;default&quot; designation has created in Greyhawk.&nbsp; While the impulse might be to try to pull Greyhawk together, shape it up and move it forward, having wandered into the thicket of 3X Greyhawk canon, my thought is that Greyhawk should be entirely reimagined, only beholding to that &quot;canon&quot; that is useful to a successful presentation of the setting.&nbsp; Restart the setting unbeholding to the accumulated past, except where such works for the design.&nbsp; IMO, GH canon has reached the point of no return.&nbsp; It is hopelessly bloated and scattered.&nbsp; Best to take a few steps back, IMO, see what is worth keeping, what should be added and forget the rest.&nbsp; I know that is heretical to many but I believe, from a commercial standpoint, it is likely the only way to revive the setting in a commercially viable form, the thought being to look for new fans primarily, accepting that there will be prior fans who can make the jump to light speed but also those who cannot or will not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GVDammerung, post: 3590729, member: 33060"] I agree 110% that the use of Greyhawk as "core" or "default" should end. Personally, I treat all 3X Greyhawk references as canon, as much as any other prior, published Greyhawk specific references. Moreso, given the statements in the D&D Gazateer. To that end, and seeing no one else doing so, I've been cataloging the 3X GH references for my own use, following Jason Zavoda's previous, and phenominal, example. Doing so has been unsettling from a contextual standpoint. 3X Greyhawk references rarely support each other in a consistent fashion. In slightly more cases, they are contradictory. However, in the vast majority of cases, they simply ignore one another, going off in myriad directions simultaneously and aimlessly. The result is like an increasingly overgrown hedge that I despair ever being pruned. A hedge that threatens to swallow up the other landscaping. First things first. IMO, the "core" or "default" use of Greyhawk needs to come to a halt. Then, a new setting treatment is essential, if for no other reason than to deal with the shaggy dog the "core" or "default" designation has created in Greyhawk. While the impulse might be to try to pull Greyhawk together, shape it up and move it forward, having wandered into the thicket of 3X Greyhawk canon, my thought is that Greyhawk should be entirely reimagined, only beholding to that "canon" that is useful to a successful presentation of the setting. Restart the setting unbeholding to the accumulated past, except where such works for the design. IMO, GH canon has reached the point of no return. It is hopelessly bloated and scattered. Best to take a few steps back, IMO, see what is worth keeping, what should be added and forget the rest. I know that is heretical to many but I believe, from a commercial standpoint, it is likely the only way to revive the setting in a commercially viable form, the thought being to look for new fans primarily, accepting that there will be prior fans who can make the jump to light speed but also those who cannot or will not. [/QUOTE]

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