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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 3591943" data-attributes="member: 33060">If the "medieval fantasy" D&D audience is not to be split between FR and GH, I agree with this statement 110%.  So long as FR is supported, there is not room in the marketplace IMO for another broad, sweeping "medieval fantasy" D&D setting.  While GH and FR are fundamentally different in detail, in very broad outline they are much the same in terms of how they approach the "medieval fantasy" genre of D&D.  If FR did not exist, GH could be published "as is" and sell gangbusters, I'm convinced.  But as FR occupies the mainline "medieval fantasy" field at the moment, it seems GH must evolve into something that FR is definably not before Wotc will have an interest in publishing both settings or seeing GH published by a third party under license.And becoming something FR is not, IMO, very likely entails significant change to what people have come to understand as GH.  The trick will be to change GH enough to draw a new audience, rather than cannibalizing FR's audience, while at the same time preserving those things that make Greyhawk Greyhawk to the largest number of people possible.  This will without any question tick off some number of present GH fans.  I think this is unavoidable, however.  I think it is also absolutely necessary if GH is ever to see publication for the reasons stated.The goal, IMO, should not be to try to please everyone because that is impossible.  The goal should be, IMO, to draw substantial numbers of new fans to GH, without cannibalizing FR's sales.  Brass tacks, IMO - Wotc has got to make money on any revived GH setting without loosing a comparative amount of money from FR sales.  If GH can't change as part of this process, I think it stays mostly dead, but for the one off product like Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk.  This is where I don't see much relevance with respect to Greyhawk the setting in the sales of the one off Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk.  IMO, at best, strong sales will keep Greyhawk in the conversation for awhile after the demise of Dragon and Dungeon "Paizo-Hawk."  However, until someone addresses Wotc's concerns about GH with respect to FR, other than by telling them they are wrong, Greyhawk the setting is a nonstarter, IMO.  Ultimately, Wotc calls the shots and if they believe that a published GH "as is" will hurt FR sales, that concern must be affirmatively addressed, not nay sayed, by making GH something other than "as is."  It would not be my first choice but I believe Wotc does have such concerns, that they are not entirely baseless, and thus they must be addressed whether one agrees or disagrees.  YMMV</blockquote>

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