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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6455954" data-attributes="member: 177">If you are in the later-canon FR, where the gods have literally walked the land in living memory, yes.If you are in some other world (or FR before the time of troubles), where that hasn't happened...Exactly what evidence does the common person have that the gods really do exist? That clerics work magic is not sufficient - by core rules of several editions, clerics *without* gods can use that magic.&nbsp; Bards and mages also use magic.&nbsp; &quot;I cast clerical spells&quot; is not proof of the nature of the power behind those spells.&nbsp; Gating in angels who claim to work for gods is not proof - how many entities in the world *lie* about who they work for?The bulk of people in the fantasy world do not have access to the equivalent of NASA.gov, that has images that pretty much prove the Earth isn't flat.&nbsp; I, personally, can set up the shadow-stick experiment and show the geometry that demonstrates the planet is round - and estimate its radius for you.&nbsp; Is there a shadow-stick experiment for the existence of gods?&nbsp; What is the evidence that is supposed to make it clear, Janx?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6455954, member: 177"] If you are in the later-canon FR, where the gods have literally walked the land in living memory, yes. If you are in some other world (or FR before the time of troubles), where that hasn't happened... Exactly what evidence does the common person have that the gods really do exist? That clerics work magic is not sufficient - by core rules of several editions, clerics *without* gods can use that magic. Bards and mages also use magic. "I cast clerical spells" is not proof of the nature of the power behind those spells. Gating in angels who claim to work for gods is not proof - how many entities in the world *lie* about who they work for? The bulk of people in the fantasy world do not have access to the equivalent of NASA.gov, that has images that pretty much prove the Earth isn't flat. I, personally, can set up the shadow-stick experiment and show the geometry that demonstrates the planet is round - and estimate its radius for you. Is there a shadow-stick experiment for the existence of gods? What is the evidence that is supposed to make it clear, Janx? [/QUOTE]

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