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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6456023" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yes, there really are.&nbsp; There aren't many of them, but they exist.To begin with, I should say that I don't find them particularly confounding or hard to understand.&nbsp; I personally believe the earth is round, but its not at all hard for me to imagine why a person would believe it is flat.&nbsp;&nbsp; The roundness of the Earth is not something that most people must deal with on a daily basis. This is a good example of why the average Flat Earther doesn't believe the world is round.&nbsp; Because absolutely and without a doubt, these things do not settle the matter.&nbsp; For one thing, to believe that they do settle the matter requires putting faith in some authority that told you there was this guy named Magellan who sailed around the Earth and that Magellan himself didn't misunderstand what he'd done.&nbsp; Real flat earther's have maps of the earth that allow for its circumnavigation without contradicting the idea that the world is flat.&nbsp;&nbsp; What that map doesn't do a good job of is actually allowing you to circumnavigate the world without incident, but since most people don't actually need to sail around the world taking measurements of it, there is no way just by looking to know whether a map is good or not.The point is that you yourself probably have never settled for yourself whether the Earth is flat or round.&nbsp;&nbsp; Rather, authorities that you trust and the vast majority of people believe it is round, so you do too.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Flat Earthers are the sort of skeptics that don't take it for granted that other people have it right or that the authorities are truthful.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most are highly rational, intelligent and fairly well educated individuals that earnestly and sincerely believe that the world is flat, and for whom this belief causes them no daily distress or problems whatsoever.&nbsp; The way you reason with them is foremost to find a way for them to personally experience the world's roundness.&nbsp; Appealing to Magellan is never going to do it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Trying to get them to experience the world's actual roundness probably won't either, because an intelligent and creative mind can always find an alternative explanation for what they experience if they try, but it's certainly more on point that citing 'satellites', which are also outside of most person's daily experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6456023, member: 4937"] Yes, there really are. There aren't many of them, but they exist. To begin with, I should say that I don't find them particularly confounding or hard to understand. I personally believe the earth is round, but its not at all hard for me to imagine why a person would believe it is flat. The roundness of the Earth is not something that most people must deal with on a daily basis. This is a good example of why the average Flat Earther doesn't believe the world is round. Because absolutely and without a doubt, these things do not settle the matter. For one thing, to believe that they do settle the matter requires putting faith in some authority that told you there was this guy named Magellan who sailed around the Earth and that Magellan himself didn't misunderstand what he'd done. Real flat earther's have maps of the earth that allow for its circumnavigation without contradicting the idea that the world is flat. What that map doesn't do a good job of is actually allowing you to circumnavigate the world without incident, but since most people don't actually need to sail around the world taking measurements of it, there is no way just by looking to know whether a map is good or not. The point is that you yourself probably have never settled for yourself whether the Earth is flat or round. Rather, authorities that you trust and the vast majority of people believe it is round, so you do too. The Flat Earthers are the sort of skeptics that don't take it for granted that other people have it right or that the authorities are truthful. Most are highly rational, intelligent and fairly well educated individuals that earnestly and sincerely believe that the world is flat, and for whom this belief causes them no daily distress or problems whatsoever. The way you reason with them is foremost to find a way for them to personally experience the world's roundness. Appealing to Magellan is never going to do it. Trying to get them to experience the world's actual roundness probably won't either, because an intelligent and creative mind can always find an alternative explanation for what they experience if they try, but it's certainly more on point that citing 'satellites', which are also outside of most person's daily experience. [/QUOTE]

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