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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fate Lawson" data-source="post: 1565235" data-attributes="member: 16256">Well, since Sidewinder has been brought into this conversation, perhaps I can shed some light on why it’s priced the way it is. And in doing so perhaps this will help others thinking about whether they should offer POD’s or stick strictly to PDF’s.First off let me start off by saying that we originally hadn’t planned on offering S:R as a POD. However, shortly after we announced that we were working on Recoiled, we immediately began to receive requests for a “real book” version. All for the usual reasons, “I don’t like PDF’s… I want a real book to pass around the table…etc.” and of course the real kicker “I won’t buy a PDF.” So of course, we knew that we would have to offer some kind of physical book, if for no other reason than as a service. But if we were going to have a real book, we wanted to be the best that we could realistically afford. So, the gang here at the Dog House took a long hard look at the industry, our product, and what part of the market it would serve. Then we came up with what we hoped were some reasonable expectations of how many people would be interested in a Western based on D20Modern without Zombies or FX. Then we cut those numbers by 75%. Now began the real research and questions, and what do you suppose we did? Why, we "figure(d) out what the cost of our product would be." and "honestly compare(d) the product's value to three(+) other normal products on the market at the same price point." One of the first things we confirmed is that RPGmall would require a larger margin on POD's than RPGnow does on PDF's. No surprise there, simple standard business model with the standard trade margin of 40% on books. So now began the calculations, and in the interest of open dialogue, I’m going to do something darn few people have done. I’m going to “open the books” to the public. No “theoretical” numbers pulled out of thin air.  The real deal.Working backwards:Retail cost                     $37.50- RPGmall’s margin (37.50 x.40)         - $15.00    - Printing Cost                - $13.00                    _______DHR’s  Gross                $9.50(As has been pointed out S:R is just a shade under 300 pages (292 to be exact) with a full color cover, black & white interior.)Out of that $9.50, we of course still have to cover our business expenses and set some aside to build up the capital for future projects.  Then, whatever remains is divided between the 5 of us.Have you ever wondered why there seem to be so many "one shot wonders" that have put out good, quality products and then "disappeared" without any follow-up publications? Well, it could very well be that, in their initial "we'll set the gaming world on fire, and sell lots and lots of these" exuberance and high-expectations they priced their initial product too low, figuring that the volume of their sales would make up for the low-margin they set for themselves. And when that volume never materialized, they were left with a stack of bills, or an empty bank account. So now, financially strapped and artistically disappointed, they said "I give up" -- Exit stage left. Well, that sure doesn’t fit into our long-term plans.So we priced our POD at what we consider a "fair price." A price that would generate just enough "profit and capital" to be encouraging, while still being competitive. But what about the print quality? i.e."A friend picked up a POD book for me and my immediate reaction was that it was well done, but not that much better than what I could have done at work (I worked at a copy center at the time)." Well, the top-end production quality of POD’s has changed dramatically in just the last 5 years, so maybe someone with practical experience and the equipment could print it at the same quality and price, but the majority of gamers out there couldn't and even then only a few copy shops offer perfect binding. However, for those that want to go this route, there is always the PDF (Oh, wait. That won’t quite work either. Why? Because the PDF was compiled for best on screen viewing quality/ to smallest file size ratio, coming in at 12.5 megs, while the files sent to the printer were maximized for the best possible print quality regardless of file size, and came in at over 42 megs). We compared the quality of the S:R POD to normal books at the local FLGS. And, while a few do have better bindings and print, many don't. Which should not come as a surprise, considering the dozens, if not hundreds, of threads we have seen bemoaning the poor physical quality of RPG books. This perception of "inferior quality" and "I can do it just as well myself at the copy shop" unfortunately may be the last great hurdle for POD's. Only time will tell.Finally, my last point: After we took all of these factors into account we asked ourselves one last question, because, even being the cynical fellows we are, we do have a plan and a "vision". How would our POD price compare to what S:R would sell for if we managed to partner with one of the "Big Boys"?  How can we make sure that we won’t be selling it so low that a major publisher won’t want to touch it? Will they have any room to set a price that won’t cause the gaming public to say, “Why buy the XYZ version from the FLGS when I can get it online for so much cheaper?” Well, I'd say we hit it pretty darn close.Thomas L. Gregory</blockquote>

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