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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9188227" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>So, there are so many inherent contradictions in this entire concept that any kind of story logic is already out the window. Not mention how it contradicts huge plot points throughout the MCU thus far. Okay, timey whimey stuff, but the writers may as well have just thrown their hands in the air and said "it's all just magic and don't think about it - nothing will change anyway."</p><p></p><p></p><p>Or he just claims that because it is useful to him. Which seems like the far more likely answer. Especially given that there are infinite branching timelines so it is impossible for him to have this knowledge. So why does Loki even listen to this guy, who clearly has a vested interest in the status quo that he has developed?</p><p></p><p>And how do you "prune a timeline" anyway? What does that even mean? It's just more magical hand waving. These are just silly words being said that don't make a lick of sense.</p><p></p><p>I mean, I'm not sure why this was a big realization that Loki needed to come to, given that he is a literal god of mischief. One of the weirdest parts of this season was how he morphed into Steve Rogers.</p><p></p><p>How does the loom, which is a half-assed Victorian mechanical device, do anything like contain or explode all of infinite reality, etc. and so on? How are timelines something you can grab in your hand? Weren't we told that Loki was killing a bunch of timelines (which are apparently basically literal vines?). Was he murdering universes?</p><p></p><p>So, is the suggestion that while the sacred timeline was a thing, all of the other timelines didn't exist, so that all of the MCU thus far actually didn't exist during that part of the show, but came back into existence when the timelines started branching and...right. Magic. Hand waving.</p><p></p><p>And how does Loki just get all these new powers? Oh, right, he can just say that he had enough time to get them. This is very convenient for writers, who never have to explain anything. "He had lots of time so therefore he can have whatever powers the plot demands."</p><p></p><p>Yeah, we thought we were leading up to a multiversal war and, yup, we were leading up to a multiversal war. So none of that series meant <em>anything</em>. From an audience perspective there were no stakes - nobody cares about the fate of the multiverse because we already know it'll be fine, since it's the setting for these movies. </p><p></p><p>This is why the MCU needs to take some time off and come back when it is ready to focus on characters so that stories can actually have some stakes. Their mega-apocalyptic plots are meaningless - just a bunch of hand waving and CGI but nothing actually happens.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9188227, member: 7035894"] So, there are so many inherent contradictions in this entire concept that any kind of story logic is already out the window. Not mention how it contradicts huge plot points throughout the MCU thus far. Okay, timey whimey stuff, but the writers may as well have just thrown their hands in the air and said "it's all just magic and don't think about it - nothing will change anyway." Or he just claims that because it is useful to him. Which seems like the far more likely answer. Especially given that there are infinite branching timelines so it is impossible for him to have this knowledge. So why does Loki even listen to this guy, who clearly has a vested interest in the status quo that he has developed? And how do you "prune a timeline" anyway? What does that even mean? It's just more magical hand waving. These are just silly words being said that don't make a lick of sense. I mean, I'm not sure why this was a big realization that Loki needed to come to, given that he is a literal god of mischief. One of the weirdest parts of this season was how he morphed into Steve Rogers. How does the loom, which is a half-assed Victorian mechanical device, do anything like contain or explode all of infinite reality, etc. and so on? How are timelines something you can grab in your hand? Weren't we told that Loki was killing a bunch of timelines (which are apparently basically literal vines?). Was he murdering universes? So, is the suggestion that while the sacred timeline was a thing, all of the other timelines didn't exist, so that all of the MCU thus far actually didn't exist during that part of the show, but came back into existence when the timelines started branching and...right. Magic. Hand waving. And how does Loki just get all these new powers? Oh, right, he can just say that he had enough time to get them. This is very convenient for writers, who never have to explain anything. "He had lots of time so therefore he can have whatever powers the plot demands." Yeah, we thought we were leading up to a multiversal war and, yup, we were leading up to a multiversal war. So none of that series meant [I]anything[/I]. From an audience perspective there were no stakes - nobody cares about the fate of the multiverse because we already know it'll be fine, since it's the setting for these movies. This is why the MCU needs to take some time off and come back when it is ready to focus on characters so that stories can actually have some stakes. Their mega-apocalyptic plots are meaningless - just a bunch of hand waving and CGI but nothing actually happens. [/QUOTE]
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