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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5100526" data-attributes="member: 15538">Not that I think those kinds of properties are the best examples to bring into this discussion, but just for the sake of argument... you can destroy a debt. Obviously, I cannot destroy a debt I owe to you, since you "hold" the debt, but you could destroy it (indeed, the US Treasury will dutifully acknowledge this as income on my part), and a bankrupcy court can destroy a debt. Similarly, shares are easily destroyed. Any time a corporation gets liquidated, all its shares become rubbish.Foraging rights are the possession of an object (in this case, a physical territory). I can use foraging, I can destroy it (by, for instance, burning down a forest), and I can certainly exchange it. Foraging rights are ultimately permission to use my land, with my land being the thing I own (privately, or in common with others). Now, I will happily argue that ownership of land, property and other things is "natural" only as it pertains to possession, use, and future possession and use. If your uncle dies and you inherit a banana farm 2000 miles away, I consider that statuatory. There are situations where I would assert your ownership may not trump other, more basic rights. For instance, I would not consider being an absentee landlord of a banana farm to give you unlimited rights; in the event of a famine, if locals eat your bananas, that is unfortunate, but whether it constitutes theft is a statuatory matter. Imagine a scenario where a billionaire and 24 people are trapped on an island that the billionaire ostensibly owns. Can the billionaire demand they pay him $10,000 a day to have access to water and food supplies on his island? If the rest of the world dissolves in massive warfare, what claim does he have of ownership?</blockquote>

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