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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4957870" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Mechanically the reason is really simply because 4e does not have a concept of facing and irregularly shaped creatures would bring up issues relating to that. Making all creatures square simply avoids the whole issue.</p><p></p><p>I don't really think for the most part its all that unrealistic either. Yes, many creatures could probably fit in narrower spaces than the rules strictly allow for, but could they FIGHT in such spaces effectively? Moreover if you're fighting a horse is there anywhere in its space you could realistically fit and still engage it effectively in combat? I think the answer to both of those is mostly no. </p><p></p><p>I'd also say this in regards to horses in particular. The standard width of the isle in a barn is 12 feet. Yes, you can handle a horse in a narrower space, but it isn't so easy. Those cases where you really would place it in narrower confines, say trailering or moving it in and out of a gate, squeezing isn't really an issue. </p><p></p><p>So overall the slightly abstract square creatures really don't seem like a big issue to me. Most indoor map layouts in 4e are going to regularize everything to 5' and 10' widths anyway, so if you have large creatures in an encounter just make the places where they can go wide enough for them. Sure the horse may not have a problem in an 8' wide space and could probably move at a good speed in a 5' wide space, but it won't come up often enough to worry about. If it DOES come up as an issue then yeah, have the DM rule that it gets the combat penalty for squeezing but not the movement penalty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 4957870, member: 82106"] Mechanically the reason is really simply because 4e does not have a concept of facing and irregularly shaped creatures would bring up issues relating to that. Making all creatures square simply avoids the whole issue. I don't really think for the most part its all that unrealistic either. Yes, many creatures could probably fit in narrower spaces than the rules strictly allow for, but could they FIGHT in such spaces effectively? Moreover if you're fighting a horse is there anywhere in its space you could realistically fit and still engage it effectively in combat? I think the answer to both of those is mostly no. I'd also say this in regards to horses in particular. The standard width of the isle in a barn is 12 feet. Yes, you can handle a horse in a narrower space, but it isn't so easy. Those cases where you really would place it in narrower confines, say trailering or moving it in and out of a gate, squeezing isn't really an issue. So overall the slightly abstract square creatures really don't seem like a big issue to me. Most indoor map layouts in 4e are going to regularize everything to 5' and 10' widths anyway, so if you have large creatures in an encounter just make the places where they can go wide enough for them. Sure the horse may not have a problem in an 8' wide space and could probably move at a good speed in a 5' wide space, but it won't come up often enough to worry about. If it DOES come up as an issue then yeah, have the DM rule that it gets the combat penalty for squeezing but not the movement penalty. [/QUOTE]
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