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<blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 926924" data-attributes="member: 4303"><p>As mentioned, there is no PC cleric in my campaign, I haven't given it much thought - but as another poster pointed out, it is the <em>deity</em> who makes the choice of what to send, so the DM retains more control.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>So would I - I was just pointing out that the spell <em>could</em> be interpreted another way. Unfortunately, <em>planar binding</em> has lots of ambiguities.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I hope they get an overhaul - I would guess that it's a fairly popular spell, and WOTC must have received feedback on it. But I suspect that your experience with the arcane angel is pretty common - supplements (especially 3rd party ones) are full of creatures which can throw the spells out of whack quickly.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I used something similar for a long while. I also thought about turning into a Will Saving Throw. The FAQ states</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I have to admit, it <em>is</em> kind of nice to have that element of randomness - the best laid plans etc. But I like the charisma check for the raw 'battle of wills' flavour,' and it would be a shame to lose it. If you tinker with the SR as well, I think it can be meaningfully retained. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You are a very mean DM <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I have to say I wouldn't be that nasty - who knows if the Pit Fiend has already used his <em>wish</em> for the year? But it leads to another question - will a <em>wish</em> break you out? Would a fiend be cautious of using a <em>wish</em> this way - he might get an over-literal interpretation.</p><p></p><p>Another thing that occurred to me and then subsequently forgot to add, is that a <em>planar binding</em> might be used by, say, a Demon to conjure a player character and confine him in the abyss - in fact, I wouldn't allow this, but I wonder if there has ever been any official word on it.</p><p></p><p>Another blip that should be addressed is the issue of whether the target is on the same plane currently - if it is, then I rule the spell fails, but the spell description is less than clear. It could also lead to the scenario:</p><p></p><p>Mage Player: I use <em>discern location</em> to find out where the balor is.</p><p>DM: It's on the Material Plane, in the city of Jeshat.</p><p>Mage Player: Damn. I'll have to <em>plane shift</em> to the elemental plane of air, and use my <em>planar binding</em> there.</p><p></p><p>This is how I'd play it, but it seems a bit contrived.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sepulchrave II, post: 926924, member: 4303"] As mentioned, there is no PC cleric in my campaign, I haven't given it much thought - but as another poster pointed out, it is the [I]deity[/I] who makes the choice of what to send, so the DM retains more control. So would I - I was just pointing out that the spell [I]could[/I] be interpreted another way. Unfortunately, [I]planar binding[/I] has lots of ambiguities. I hope they get an overhaul - I would guess that it's a fairly popular spell, and WOTC must have received feedback on it. But I suspect that your experience with the arcane angel is pretty common - supplements (especially 3rd party ones) are full of creatures which can throw the spells out of whack quickly. I used something similar for a long while. I also thought about turning into a Will Saving Throw. The FAQ states I have to admit, it [I]is[/I] kind of nice to have that element of randomness - the best laid plans etc. But I like the charisma check for the raw 'battle of wills' flavour,' and it would be a shame to lose it. If you tinker with the SR as well, I think it can be meaningfully retained. You are a very mean DM :D I have to say I wouldn't be that nasty - who knows if the Pit Fiend has already used his [I]wish[/I] for the year? But it leads to another question - will a [I]wish[/I] break you out? Would a fiend be cautious of using a [I]wish[/I] this way - he might get an over-literal interpretation. Another thing that occurred to me and then subsequently forgot to add, is that a [I]planar binding[/I] might be used by, say, a Demon to conjure a player character and confine him in the abyss - in fact, I wouldn't allow this, but I wonder if there has ever been any official word on it. Another blip that should be addressed is the issue of whether the target is on the same plane currently - if it is, then I rule the spell fails, but the spell description is less than clear. It could also lead to the scenario: Mage Player: I use [I]discern location[/I] to find out where the balor is. DM: It's on the Material Plane, in the city of Jeshat. Mage Player: Damn. I'll have to [I]plane shift[/I] to the elemental plane of air, and use my [I]planar binding[/I] there. This is how I'd play it, but it seems a bit contrived. [/QUOTE]
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