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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8266577" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>I don't need to give the whole batch of spells. Once the wizard has Minor Image and Invisibility then the fighter has been left in the dust in social and exploration situations because they get nothing in their core features.</p><p></p><p>Give me what the basic fighter gets.</p><p></p><p>Oh wait. That's two skills, no tools, plus their background - literally the bare minimum of any class. Oh, and the Champion gets remarkable athlete for what that is worth. Or the Arcane Archer gets the Arcana skill and a single cantrip. And the barbarian is worse, there being less chance of anything that's not about hitting things.</p><p></p><p>Show me how these match up to a wizard using even a fraction of their spells to expand what they can do. Even a wizard with an entire combat loadout other than only using one attack cantrip is more or less a match for a fighter or barbarian in the other two pillars. Your best claim for a flexible fighter would be the Eldritch Knight.</p><p></p><p>The wizard doesn't need to be the god-wizard to be more flexible than most classes. The fighter is called a fighter and puts 100% of their resources beyond the bare minimum two skills all classes get into fighting. If they are <em>not </em>better at it than any class that does not do this then they are a miserable failure of a class.</p><p></p><p>If the pillars matter and two classes drop 100% of their resources on one of the three pillars then those two classes <em>should</em> be the best in that pillar. And they are also outmatched in the other two.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8266577, member: 87792"] I don't need to give the whole batch of spells. Once the wizard has Minor Image and Invisibility then the fighter has been left in the dust in social and exploration situations because they get nothing in their core features. Give me what the basic fighter gets. Oh wait. That's two skills, no tools, plus their background - literally the bare minimum of any class. Oh, and the Champion gets remarkable athlete for what that is worth. Or the Arcane Archer gets the Arcana skill and a single cantrip. And the barbarian is worse, there being less chance of anything that's not about hitting things. Show me how these match up to a wizard using even a fraction of their spells to expand what they can do. Even a wizard with an entire combat loadout other than only using one attack cantrip is more or less a match for a fighter or barbarian in the other two pillars. Your best claim for a flexible fighter would be the Eldritch Knight. The wizard doesn't need to be the god-wizard to be more flexible than most classes. The fighter is called a fighter and puts 100% of their resources beyond the bare minimum two skills all classes get into fighting. If they are [I]not [/I]better at it than any class that does not do this then they are a miserable failure of a class. If the pillars matter and two classes drop 100% of their resources on one of the three pillars then those two classes [I]should[/I] be the best in that pillar. And they are also outmatched in the other two. [/QUOTE]
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