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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8266642" data-attributes="member: 87792">No. It's "Come back her with those goalposts. And stop making up strawmen."Come back here with those goalposts.Me: The fighter should be the best at damage because they are naughty word at the other two pillars and have dropped all their resources into fighting.You: Here are numbers to demonstrate that the fighter does more damage.Which is what I am saying should happen. Come back here with those goalposts. I don't have to have anything. Because you are creating what is known as a strawman argument.I will repeat once more because it is clear you haven't got the point yet. The fighter and barbarian put basically 100% of their resources into doing damage and taking hits. If there is any sort of balance this means that the fighter and barbarian should be the best at fighting because they are naughty word at everything else.Me: The fighter has two skills plus their background and nothing else. The wizard has the same number of skills plus their magic. The fighter loses out of combat to even a wizard with just cantrips for non-combat work.You: The fighter has the same number of skills as the wizard.Well, duh! That's literally what I said. You somehow seem to think that having the same number of skills makes them comparable when it's skills plus magic vs skills plus nothing at all. And in order to rebut me you don't need me to go through all the spells and show which put the wizard beyond the fighter out of combat. You need to go through and demonstrate that precisely none of them do.The fighter is basically a one trick pony. At first level they move 30' with a move action and swing a sharpened piece of metal hard and fast at targets within 5 foot. At twentieth level they move 30' and swing a sharpened piece of metal very hard and fast at targets within 5 foot. They are still a linear class, still doing basically the same thing at level 20 they were doing at level 1. They damn well ought to be good at it because they've given up everything else.Meanwhile a wizard has moved from being able to conjure a silent image of a red dragon to being able to turn into one permanently. The wizard's capabilities have massively expanded in ways that aren't measured on a simple scale.Goodbye.</blockquote>

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