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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8267333" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>Point of order: While a high-end caster can do a pretty good job of replicating or matching the power level of some of the Avengers, Captain America is more widely capable and powerful than a D&D fighter. Outside of maybe the sheer durability which is shared by all D&D classes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Average damage of Level 11 longsword and shield fighter= 37.5.</p><p>OK. Well, I guess you might have got carried away with your claims and meant just the minmaxed Greataxe fighter, average damage (<em>ignoring attack penalty</em>, assuming same hit rate at the others): 64.5</p><p>Average damage of non-maximised Disintegrate (Not even bothering with the maximised thing: takes too long/too much luck to set up.): 75</p><p></p><p>I do not believe that either 37.5 or 64.5 "meets or exceeds" 75, let alone 100.</p><p>(In fact the Fighter would have to deal decidedly <em>non-average</em> damage, by kicking in their Action Surge to start comparing with disintegrate.)</p><p></p><p>Now personally, I do not think that this is a valid comparison: Disintegrate uses a high-level spell slot and is one of the worst example spells to start comparing combat performance with. But I wasn't going to let such an . . . unusual claim stand without looking more closely at its actual truth.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Pretty sure that it is not a valid comparison to start with, but it <em>does </em>hold up in both directions: Wizards do excel at casting spells: they do it much better than Fighters. (Or pretty much any other class due to the spell list and class/subclass abilities.)</p><p></p><p>The reason that I do not view it as a valid comparison is that extra attack and spellcasting cannot be compared directly in the game as a whole. You can compare greataxe damage compared to fireball on X targets for the combat pillar, but the fighter's Extra Attack is not going to help them with exploration, stealth, social, investigation, and other challenges the way that 3rd level spell slot is with the wizard.</p><p>In the time a fighter takes to get another attack, usable in only the combat pillar, the wizard has got three more spell levels and ten different ways of using them. Outside of a <em>really </em>combat-focused hack-and-slash style game, the two cannot be compared.</p><p></p><p>Or to put it to you in an even simpler way: Matching fighter attack damage with wizard disintegrate damage over the course of a day would still be unfair, because disintegrate has a good non-combat utility use as well, whereas weapon attacks don't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8267333, member: 6802951"] Point of order: While a high-end caster can do a pretty good job of replicating or matching the power level of some of the Avengers, Captain America is more widely capable and powerful than a D&D fighter. Outside of maybe the sheer durability which is shared by all D&D classes. Average damage of Level 11 longsword and shield fighter= 37.5. OK. Well, I guess you might have got carried away with your claims and meant just the minmaxed Greataxe fighter, average damage ([I]ignoring attack penalty[/I], assuming same hit rate at the others): 64.5 Average damage of non-maximised Disintegrate (Not even bothering with the maximised thing: takes too long/too much luck to set up.): 75 I do not believe that either 37.5 or 64.5 "meets or exceeds" 75, let alone 100. (In fact the Fighter would have to deal decidedly [I]non-average[/I] damage, by kicking in their Action Surge to start comparing with disintegrate.) Now personally, I do not think that this is a valid comparison: Disintegrate uses a high-level spell slot and is one of the worst example spells to start comparing combat performance with. But I wasn't going to let such an . . . unusual claim stand without looking more closely at its actual truth. Pretty sure that it is not a valid comparison to start with, but it [I]does [/I]hold up in both directions: Wizards do excel at casting spells: they do it much better than Fighters. (Or pretty much any other class due to the spell list and class/subclass abilities.) The reason that I do not view it as a valid comparison is that extra attack and spellcasting cannot be compared directly in the game as a whole. You can compare greataxe damage compared to fireball on X targets for the combat pillar, but the fighter's Extra Attack is not going to help them with exploration, stealth, social, investigation, and other challenges the way that 3rd level spell slot is with the wizard. In the time a fighter takes to get another attack, usable in only the combat pillar, the wizard has got three more spell levels and ten different ways of using them. Outside of a [I]really [/I]combat-focused hack-and-slash style game, the two cannot be compared. Or to put it to you in an even simpler way: Matching fighter attack damage with wizard disintegrate damage over the course of a day would still be unfair, because disintegrate has a good non-combat utility use as well, whereas weapon attacks don't. [/QUOTE]
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