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<blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8267434" data-attributes="member: 7019027"><p>I think the point is: </p><p></p><p>Yeah, Wizards have a small leg up in exploration-based scenarios. But is that leg up the difference of "can't do anything" vs. "Can do absolutely everything" or is it the difference of "Can do almost everything." and "Can do almost everything quicker." </p><p></p><p>What is your familiar doing that absolutely, unequivocally could not have been done had a sneaky character did something? Or a druid did it himself? Or a Ranger's companion? Or the fighter not even caring? </p><p></p><p>Its a convenience factor but it isn't a necessity of the likes of an ability that was <em>needed</em> to complete an adventure. </p><p></p><p>In other words, magic is a convenience, not a necessity. </p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Can I take the time to mention that the comparison between Fighter : Captain America; Wizard : Thor/Scarlet Witch/Iron man/Doctor Strange is <strong>THE MOST</strong> ridiculous equivalency that could possibly be equated?</p><p></p><p>First, doesn't specify which versions we're talking about. Movie? Comics? Which universe? Which issue?</p><p></p><p>The powerful Avengers run circles on D&D casters like its their job. Doctor Strange could imitate the effects of "Wish" with his eyes closed at will...in the movie version. There's absolutely no way a wizard comes a mile radius into the powerscale of some of the Higher-tier Avengers. </p><p></p><p>The mid-tier Avengers <em>still</em> have way more usefulness in almost every department. Iron Man can level entire cities several times over with his arsenal if he decided it was okay to do so. Hulk (mid-tier movies, God-tier comics) can still canonically destroyed monsters roughly the size of Purple Worms with a single punch. Freaking Ant-man has absurd levels of power. </p><p></p><p>Wizards aren't freaking Thor or Ironman, the closest fair comparison is that they're Falcon or War Machine, or Black Widow. "But what about Wish, Teleport, and Simulacra?" These three characters being able to teleport with half-butt accuracy about twice a day is well within their power-limits of technology (borrowed from the guys a tier above them). Being able to summon a large area for a bomb strike once a day(like Meteor Swarm) is something I almost feel like already exists for Shield-Authorized Avengers. </p><p></p><p>If yall want to say Fighters are Hawkeye (closer to Bucky IMO), the least you can do is agree Wizards are roughly Falcon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asisreo, post: 8267434, member: 7019027"] I think the point is: Yeah, Wizards have a small leg up in exploration-based scenarios. But is that leg up the difference of "can't do anything" vs. "Can do absolutely everything" or is it the difference of "Can do almost everything." and "Can do almost everything quicker." What is your familiar doing that absolutely, unequivocally could not have been done had a sneaky character did something? Or a druid did it himself? Or a Ranger's companion? Or the fighter not even caring? Its a convenience factor but it isn't a necessity of the likes of an ability that was [I]needed[/I] to complete an adventure. In other words, magic is a convenience, not a necessity. --- Can I take the time to mention that the comparison between Fighter : Captain America; Wizard : Thor/Scarlet Witch/Iron man/Doctor Strange is [B]THE MOST[/B] ridiculous equivalency that could possibly be equated? First, doesn't specify which versions we're talking about. Movie? Comics? Which universe? Which issue? The powerful Avengers run circles on D&D casters like its their job. Doctor Strange could imitate the effects of "Wish" with his eyes closed at will...in the movie version. There's absolutely no way a wizard comes a mile radius into the powerscale of some of the Higher-tier Avengers. The mid-tier Avengers [I]still[/I] have way more usefulness in almost every department. Iron Man can level entire cities several times over with his arsenal if he decided it was okay to do so. Hulk (mid-tier movies, God-tier comics) can still canonically destroyed monsters roughly the size of Purple Worms with a single punch. Freaking Ant-man has absurd levels of power. Wizards aren't freaking Thor or Ironman, the closest fair comparison is that they're Falcon or War Machine, or Black Widow. "But what about Wish, Teleport, and Simulacra?" These three characters being able to teleport with half-butt accuracy about twice a day is well within their power-limits of technology (borrowed from the guys a tier above them). Being able to summon a large area for a bomb strike once a day(like Meteor Swarm) is something I almost feel like already exists for Shield-Authorized Avengers. If yall want to say Fighters are Hawkeye (closer to Bucky IMO), the least you can do is agree Wizards are roughly Falcon. [/QUOTE]
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