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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8267961" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>[spoiler="You listed forty three spells!"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Friends,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Comprehend Languages,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Disguise Self,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Distort Value,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Silent Image, </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Alter Self, </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Detect Thoughts,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Enhance Ability,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Pyrotechnics,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Skywrite,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Clairvoyance,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Major Image,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sending,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Speak with Dead,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Tongues,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Charm Monster,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Divination,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Polymorph,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Alarm,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Floating Disc,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Alter Self,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Augury,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Darkvision,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Enhance Ability,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Flock of Familiars,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Find Familiar,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Invisibility,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Levitate,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Magic Mouth,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Misty Step,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spider Climb,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Feign Death,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Gaseous form,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Major Image,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nondetection,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sending,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Arcane Eye,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Flying,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dimension Door,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Divination,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Greater Invisibility,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Locate Creature,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Polymorph</li> </ol><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>Most of which are not ritual spells, Wizards start with 7 spells & gain 2 per level. That will take until level 17 just to gather in the spellbook and you have included what looks like zero buff debuff control or even damage spells. do you not know how wizards work? You all but explicitly state that the wizard is dead weight being carried by the party with this silly spell list.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You miss the problem. People are saying wizards are undertuned for various reasons including the fact that there is no quantum spellbook & quantum prepped list option to meet an adventuring day as a player rather than a time traveling deity who knows the session ahead of time You and others are saying they are not. It's on you to show an example wizard that proves them wrong or start admitting which of the problems hold merit. If you can't do that without expecting wizards to show up with a white room build designed for the specific white room being run every session you have proven that at least some of the complaints have merit as one of them is that there are too many spells that are too niche given the limits on spells gained & spells prepped</p><p></p><p>You get to show whatever build & rules legal spell list you think demonstrates the strength of a wizard. Do. it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8267961, member: 93670"] [spoiler="You listed forty three spells!"] [LIST=1] [*]Friends, [*]Comprehend Languages, [*]Disguise Self, [*]Distort Value, [*]Silent Image, [*]Alter Self, [*]Detect Thoughts, [*]Enhance Ability, [*]Pyrotechnics, [*]Skywrite, [*]Clairvoyance, [*]Major Image, [*]Sending, [*]Speak with Dead, [*]Tongues, [*]Charm Monster, [*]Divination, [*]Polymorph, [*]Alarm, [*]Floating Disc, [*]Alter Self, [*]Augury, [*]Darkvision, [*]Enhance Ability, [*]Flock of Familiars, [*]Find Familiar, [*]Invisibility, [*]Levitate, [*]Magic Mouth, [*]Misty Step, [*]Spider Climb, [*]Feign Death, [*]Gaseous form, [*]Major Image, [*]Nondetection, [*]Sending, [*]Arcane Eye, [*]Flying, [*]Dimension Door, [*]Divination, [*]Greater Invisibility, [*]Locate Creature, [*]Polymorph [/LIST] [/spoiler] Most of which are not ritual spells, Wizards start with 7 spells & gain 2 per level. That will take until level 17 just to gather in the spellbook and you have included what looks like zero buff debuff control or even damage spells. do you not know how wizards work? You all but explicitly state that the wizard is dead weight being carried by the party with this silly spell list. You miss the problem. People are saying wizards are undertuned for various reasons including the fact that there is no quantum spellbook & quantum prepped list option to meet an adventuring day as a player rather than a time traveling deity who knows the session ahead of time You and others are saying they are not. It's on you to show an example wizard that proves them wrong[B] [/B]or start admitting which of the problems hold merit. If you can't do that without expecting wizards to show up with a white room build designed for the specific white room being run every session you have proven that at least some of the complaints have merit as one of them is that there are too many spells that are too niche given the limits on spells gained & spells prepped You get to show whatever build & rules legal spell list you think demonstrates the strength of a wizard. Do. it. [/QUOTE]
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