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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8269088" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>[spoiler="56 Monster manual magic resist monters"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Deva</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Planetar</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Solar</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">DeathKnight</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Balor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Chasme</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">glabrezu</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Goristro</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hezrou</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Marilith</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nalfeshnee</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Quasit</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Vrock</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yochlol</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Barbed Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bearded Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bone Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Chain Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Erinyes</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Horned Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ice Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Imp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Pit fiend</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spined Devil</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dracolich</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dryad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Empyrean</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Faerie Dragon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Flame Skull</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Clay Golem</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Flesh Golrm</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Golem</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Stone Golem</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Night Hag</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Helmed Horror</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mind Flayer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mummy Lord</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Pixie</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Pseudodragon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">satyr</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Blue Slaad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Red Slaad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Slaad Tadpole</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Green Slaad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Gray Slaad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Death Slaad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Tarrasque</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Unicorn</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-Ti Abomination</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-ti malison</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-Ti Pureblood</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Arcanoloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mezzloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nycaloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Utroloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Archmage</li> </ol><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>That's quite the "handful" & a huge chunk of them also sport one or more energy resist/energy immune with a good number also having legendary resist... It's also not done.</p><p>[spoiler="11 VGtM Magic resistant monsters"]</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ki-Rin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Alhoon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mind Flaer Lich/Illithilich</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Elder Brain</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ulitharid</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Neothelid</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Tanarukk</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-Ti Anathema</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-Ti Mind Whisperer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-Ti Nightmare Speaker</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yaun-Ti Pitmaster</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"></li> </ol><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="53 MToF magic resist monsters"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Cadaver Collector</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bronze Scout</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Cobra</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Oaken Bolter</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Stone Defender</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Alkilith</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Aramite</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dybbuk</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Meurezhi</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Molydeus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nabassu</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sibriex</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Wastrilith</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Baphomet</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Demogorgon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Fraz-Urb'luu</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Graz'zt</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Juiblex</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Orcus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yeenoghu Zuggtmoy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Derro</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Derro Savant</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Black Abishai</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Blue Abishai</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Red Abashi</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Green Abashi</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">White Abashi</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Amnizu</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hellfire Engine</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Merregon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Narzugon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Orthon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bael</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Geryon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hutijin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Moloch</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Titvilus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Zariel</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Drow Inquisitor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Drow Matron Mother</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Duergar Despot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Auumn Eladrin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spring Eladrin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Summer Eladrin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Winter Eladrin</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Marut</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Soul Monger</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Steel Predator</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Canoloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dhergoloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Merrenoloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Oinoloth</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yagnoloth</li> </ol><p></p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="16 GGTR magic resistant monsters"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bsttleforce Angel</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Firemane Angel</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Deathpact Angel</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Conclave Dryad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Master of Cruelties</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sire of insanity</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nivix Cyclops</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Undercity Medusa</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Isperia</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Aurelia</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Jarad Vod Savo</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Niv Mizzet</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Rakdos</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Trostani</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Zegana</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Biomancer</li> </ol><p></p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>[spoiler="Theros Magic resistant monsters"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Archon of falling stars</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Abhorrent Overlord'</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Eater of Hope</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nightmare Shepherd</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Doomwake Giant</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Aphemia</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Byx-Fleece Ram</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Alseid</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lampad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Naiad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Oread</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Satyr Reveler</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Satyr Thornbearer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Arasta</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"></li> </ol><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="12 from Rising"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Warforged Colossus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Undying Councilor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Radiant Idol</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Kalaraq Quori</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Rak Tulkhesh</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Living Cloukill</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Living Lightning Bolt</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Living Burning Hands</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Lady Illmarrow</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dusk Hag</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Dyrrn</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Belashyrra</li> </ol><p></p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="14rhime of the frostmaiden new monsters with magic resist"]</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Auril 1st form</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Auril 2nd Form</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Auril 3rd form</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Brain in a jar</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Chardalyn Dragon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Living Bigsby's hand</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Living Blade of Disaster</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Living Demplane</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Demos Magen</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Galvan Magen</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hypnos Magen</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spitting Mimic</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Gnome Ceremorph</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Gnome Squidling</li> </ol><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>[spoiler="14 magic resistant statblocks in Descent Into Avernus"]</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Amnizu</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Baphomet</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Grokek'Toreck</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Death's Head of Bhaal</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Fiendish Flesh Golem</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Merregon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Narzugon</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">White AbishaiYeenoghu</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Archduke Zariel of Avernus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Kostchtchie</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bel</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sibriex</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Smiler the Defiler</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Plus a ton of stuff listed in the above spoilers just without a reprinted/updated statblock</li> </ol><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>I could continue but even accounting for a couple duplications across books this "handful" is up to 190, most of them feature some combination of energy resist energy immune and/or legendary resist. If concentration was not overused to thwart the problems of buff/debuff stacking in old editions, spell effectiveness were not reduced to thwart the problems of past editions, spell scaling were not made something done at cost to thwart the problems of past editions having all of these monsters built to thwart the problems of past editions might make sense... but all of those things were done to combine into a massive overcorrection. This combined overcorrection adds to the oomph that needs to be found somewhere else to justify the damage disparity with fighter & rogue.</p><p></p><p>Even if we are talking grains of rice 190 is a pretty big "handful" & this list would only grow if I kept going back through earlier hardcover adventures.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8269088, member: 93670"] [spoiler="56 Monster manual magic resist monters"] [LIST=1] [*]Deva [*]Planetar [*]Solar [*]DeathKnight [*]Balor [*]Chasme [*]glabrezu [*]Goristro [*]Hezrou [*]Marilith [*]Nalfeshnee [*]Quasit [*]Vrock [*]Yochlol [*]Barbed Devil [*]Bearded Devil [*]Bone Devil [*]Chain Devil [*]Erinyes [*]Horned Devil [*]Ice Devil [*]Imp [*]Pit fiend [*]Spined Devil [*]Dracolich [*]Dryad [*]Empyrean [*]Faerie Dragon [*]Flame Skull [*]Clay Golem [*]Flesh Golrm [*]Iron Golem [*]Stone Golem [*]Night Hag [*]Helmed Horror [*]Mind Flayer [*]Mummy Lord [*]Pixie [*]Pseudodragon [*]satyr [*]Blue Slaad [*]Red Slaad [*]Slaad Tadpole [*]Green Slaad [*]Gray Slaad [*]Death Slaad [*]Tarrasque [*]Unicorn [*]Yaun-Ti Abomination [*]Yaun-ti malison [*]Yaun-Ti Pureblood [*]Arcanoloth [*]Mezzloth [*]Nycaloth [*]Utroloth [*]Archmage [/LIST] [/spoiler] That's quite the "handful" & a huge chunk of them also sport one or more energy resist/energy immune with a good number also having legendary resist... It's also not done. [spoiler="11 VGtM Magic resistant monsters"] [LIST=1] [*]Ki-Rin [*]Alhoon [*]Mind Flaer Lich/Illithilich [*]Elder Brain [*]Ulitharid [*]Neothelid [*]Tanarukk [*]Yaun-Ti Anathema [*]Yaun-Ti Mind Whisperer [*]Yaun-Ti Nightmare Speaker [*]Yaun-Ti Pitmaster [*] [/LIST] [/spoiler] [spoiler="53 MToF magic resist monsters"] [LIST=1] [*]Cadaver Collector [*]Bronze Scout [*]Iron Cobra [*]Oaken Bolter [*]Stone Defender [*]Alkilith [*]Aramite [*]Dybbuk [*]Meurezhi [*]Molydeus [*]Nabassu [*]Sibriex [*]Wastrilith [*]Baphomet [*]Demogorgon [*]Fraz-Urb'luu [*]Graz'zt [*]Juiblex [*]Orcus [*]Yeenoghu Zuggtmoy [*]Derro [*]Derro Savant [*]Black Abishai [*]Blue Abishai [*]Red Abashi [*]Green Abashi [*]White Abashi [*]Amnizu [*]Hellfire Engine [*]Merregon [*]Narzugon [*]Orthon [*]Bael [*]Geryon [*]Hutijin [*]Moloch [*]Titvilus [*]Zariel [*]Drow Inquisitor [*]Drow Matron Mother [*]Duergar Despot [*]Auumn Eladrin [*]Spring Eladrin [*]Summer Eladrin [*]Winter Eladrin [*]Marut [*]Soul Monger [*]Steel Predator [*]Canoloth [*]Dhergoloth [*]Merrenoloth [*]Oinoloth [*]Yagnoloth [/LIST] [/spoiler] [spoiler="16 GGTR magic resistant monsters"] [LIST=1] [*]Bsttleforce Angel [*]Firemane Angel [*]Deathpact Angel [*]Conclave Dryad [*]Master of Cruelties [*]Sire of insanity [*]Nivix Cyclops [*]Undercity Medusa [*]Isperia [*]Aurelia [*]Jarad Vod Savo [*]Niv Mizzet [*]Rakdos [*]Trostani [*]Zegana [*]Biomancer [/LIST] [/spoiler] [spoiler="Theros Magic resistant monsters"] [LIST=1] [*]Archon of falling stars [*]Abhorrent Overlord' [*]Eater of Hope [*]Nightmare Shepherd [*]Doomwake Giant [*]Aphemia [*]Byx-Fleece Ram [*]Alseid [*]Lampad [*]Naiad [*]Oread [*]Satyr Reveler [*]Satyr Thornbearer [*]Arasta [*] [*] [/LIST] [/spoiler] [spoiler="12 from Rising"] [LIST=1] [*]Warforged Colossus [*]Undying Councilor [*]Radiant Idol [*]Kalaraq Quori [*]Rak Tulkhesh [*]Living Cloukill [*]Living Lightning Bolt [*]Living Burning Hands [*]Lady Illmarrow [*]Dusk Hag [*]Dyrrn [*]Belashyrra [/LIST] [/spoiler] [spoiler="14rhime of the frostmaiden new monsters with magic resist"] [LIST=1] [*]Auril 1st form [*]Auril 2nd Form [*]Auril 3rd form [*]Brain in a jar [*]Chardalyn Dragon [*]Living Bigsby's hand [*]Living Blade of Disaster [*]Living Demplane [*]Demos Magen [*]Galvan Magen [*]Hypnos Magen [*]Spitting Mimic [*]Gnome Ceremorph [*]Gnome Squidling [/LIST] [/spoiler] [spoiler="14 magic resistant statblocks in Descent Into Avernus"] [LIST=1] [*]Amnizu [*]Baphomet [*]Grokek'Toreck [*]Death's Head of Bhaal [*]Fiendish Flesh Golem [*]Merregon [*]Narzugon [*]White AbishaiYeenoghu [*]Archduke Zariel of Avernus [*]Kostchtchie [*]Bel [*]Sibriex [*]Smiler the Defiler [*]Plus a ton of stuff listed in the above spoilers just without a reprinted/updated statblock [/LIST] [/spoiler] I could continue but even accounting for a couple duplications across books this "handful" is up to 190, most of them feature some combination of energy resist energy immune and/or legendary resist. If concentration was not overused to thwart the problems of buff/debuff stacking in old editions, spell effectiveness were not reduced to thwart the problems of past editions, spell scaling were not made something done at cost to thwart the problems of past editions having all of these monsters built to thwart the problems of past editions might make sense... but all of those things were done to combine into a massive overcorrection. This combined overcorrection adds to the oomph that needs to be found somewhere else to justify the damage disparity with fighter & rogue. Even if we are talking grains of rice 190 is a pretty big "handful" & this list would only grow if I kept going back through earlier hardcover adventures. [/QUOTE]
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