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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8269300" data-attributes="member: 18">Is it in the thread? I missed it if so. But I don't agree with the basic principle that I should agree with the terms set by an inherently severely biased party lol. Maybe I've worked at a law firm too long.That's a misunderstanding of what I'm saying, because you're confusing my argument with those of other people. I've dismissed it as literally showing the opposite of what you think it does - it demonstrates "Quadratic Fighter" is false. I maintain that you've provided zero evidence that supports your claims - if you want to be semantic and say you've provided evidence, regardless of whether it supports your claims, I agree lol.That's one subclass of Fighter out of over a dozen. And not even a single other one could even come close to that. The vast majority are terrible out-of-combat even when they have lore/style that suggests they shouldn't be.As I said, what that proved is that BM should be the basic way Fighters work.Yeah, this is what is confusing me with [USER=93670]@tetrasodium[/USER]'s entire approach. He seems to be saying Wizards blow in 5E and are weak and so on, but like, I've played 5E for years and years now. Wizards rock, in combat and out. And until literally this year, 2021, there was no way for a Fighter to even arguably compete. The entire build we were given relies on two Tasha's abilities which just weren't there before (I guess they were in the UA, so maybe 2020 first appeared? Or was it very late 2019?). One specific subclass too. I've seen Fighters try, but even valiant efforts aren't as successful.</blockquote>

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