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<blockquote data-quote="Valicor" data-source="post: 171683" data-attributes="member: 1555">Okay looks like afew of you are confused about some of the stuff.&nbsp; Lets see what I cna sort out here:1. There are two games.2. The problem player reffered to as (LG) runs&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; one.3. The person who is the other DM is the one who &nbsp;&nbsp; in (LG's) games was forced to: &nbsp;&nbsp; A. Become lawful good.&nbsp;&nbsp; B. Take an aristcrat level.&nbsp;&nbsp; C. Loose vampire spawn&nbsp; template.&nbsp;&nbsp; D. Rule kingdom.&nbsp; 4. The campaign run by LG does not have me or&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; varius in it.&nbsp; I left alogn time ago because&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the DM could not understand the rules and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; forced players into things that fit his own&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ammusment. Did I mention that LG has gone&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; through 5 other players besides me including&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; varius.&nbsp; All quit or were kicked because of DM&nbsp; &nbsp; problems.5. Hopefully I have cleared up the confusion on&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; that topic, next brings us to the Game me and&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Varius are in.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; A. The player who was forced into all of the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; above is the DM:&nbsp;&nbsp; B. He has posted afew times in here, under the&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; name Shinanofran I think, please correct&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; spelling.&nbsp;&nbsp; C. LG plays a Lawful Good Cleric/Celestial,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Varius as a Barbarian/Fighter/Ranger/Blood&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hound/Consecrated Harrier (I may have a&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; class wrong in there).&nbsp; I play as a Neutral&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cleric/Fighter/Templar.&nbsp; There is also a&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lawful good Paladin who is brother to LG in&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; game.&nbsp;&nbsp; D. Both LG &amp; paladin are royalty,&nbsp; The&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Paladin's player has the tendency to follow&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; what LG wants.&nbsp;&nbsp; E. LG often trys to isolate Varius and Myself&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; from the npcs and other pc's so that he has&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the central power and say's he is&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; roleplaying.6. Now we come to the overlineing problems;&nbsp;&nbsp; A. Killing a pc isn't gonna make fix things&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (but will make us feel better for awhile)&nbsp;&nbsp; B. LG more then likely would quit and cry and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; take it outside of game context.&nbsp;&nbsp; C. DM is feels that we hate LG outside of game.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (Don't hate him, we are slightly annoyed and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; feel he needs to learn a lesson)&nbsp;&nbsp; D. LG would meta-game in a instant to save his&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; own skin and get gains over te party, then&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; turn around and say &quot;Its roleplaying, ignore&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the rules DM, jsut go with what he say's&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Guy's&quot;.&nbsp; Meanwhile would complain if a rule&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; is not broken when it suits him. Example: afew months back i was running a game with him in it He saw our the parties npc cleric fallign into a pit trap.&nbsp; Well he decided to grab a rope and belly flop into the 30ft. spiked pit to get him out.&nbsp; The rope is well 50ft. long and not attacted to anything.&nbsp; he hits the ground takes the full damage and is mad because I didn't allow someone to grab the rope, since it was all within a round. &nbsp; E. Varius wants to kill him immediately, with&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; no concern for ingame concequences, I agree&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; with the murder/death butcher part because I&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; have put up with alot, but would like to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; wait and see how it can be played out.&nbsp; F. Varius has had to put up with 2 years of LG&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; kicking him his game, and trying to get&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; varius kicked from everygame the two of them&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; are in.&nbsp; I think I would be alittle urked&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; two.&nbsp; G. LG wanted the game split into two new games.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; One with &quot;Roleplayers&quot; and one for me and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Varius&quot;. This would have been a 2/3-4 split.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I think its safe to assume I would not have&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; played a 2 player game, so essientially he&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; was trying yet again to get Varius and myself&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; kicked.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Valicor, post: 171683, member: 1555"] Okay looks like afew of you are confused about some of the stuff. Lets see what I cna sort out here: 1. There are two games. 2. The problem player reffered to as (LG) runs one. 3. The person who is the other DM is the one who in (LG's) games was forced to: A. Become lawful good. B. Take an aristcrat level. C. Loose vampire spawn template. D. Rule kingdom. 4. The campaign run by LG does not have me or varius in it. I left alogn time ago because the DM could not understand the rules and forced players into things that fit his own ammusment. Did I mention that LG has gone through 5 other players besides me including varius. All quit or were kicked because of DM problems. 5. Hopefully I have cleared up the confusion on that topic, next brings us to the Game me and Varius are in. A. The player who was forced into all of the above is the DM: B. He has posted afew times in here, under the name Shinanofran I think, please correct spelling. C. LG plays a Lawful Good Cleric/Celestial, Varius as a Barbarian/Fighter/Ranger/Blood Hound/Consecrated Harrier (I may have a class wrong in there). I play as a Neutral Cleric/Fighter/Templar. There is also a Lawful good Paladin who is brother to LG in game. D. Both LG & paladin are royalty, The Paladin's player has the tendency to follow what LG wants. E. LG often trys to isolate Varius and Myself from the npcs and other pc's so that he has the central power and say's he is roleplaying. 6. Now we come to the overlineing problems; A. Killing a pc isn't gonna make fix things (but will make us feel better for awhile) B. LG more then likely would quit and cry and take it outside of game context. C. DM is feels that we hate LG outside of game. (Don't hate him, we are slightly annoyed and feel he needs to learn a lesson) D. LG would meta-game in a instant to save his own skin and get gains over te party, then turn around and say "Its roleplaying, ignore the rules DM, jsut go with what he say's Guy's". Meanwhile would complain if a rule is not broken when it suits him. Example: afew months back i was running a game with him in it He saw our the parties npc cleric fallign into a pit trap. Well he decided to grab a rope and belly flop into the 30ft. spiked pit to get him out. The rope is well 50ft. long and not attacted to anything. he hits the ground takes the full damage and is mad because I didn't allow someone to grab the rope, since it was all within a round. E. Varius wants to kill him immediately, with no concern for ingame concequences, I agree with the murder/death butcher part because I have put up with alot, but would like to wait and see how it can be played out. F. Varius has had to put up with 2 years of LG kicking him his game, and trying to get varius kicked from everygame the two of them are in. I think I would be alittle urked two. G. LG wanted the game split into two new games. One with "Roleplayers" and one for me and Varius". This would have been a 2/3-4 split. I think its safe to assume I would not have played a 2 player game, so essientially he was trying yet again to get Varius and myself kicked. [/QUOTE]

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