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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3611806" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Well, my understanding of that rule is that without the 10 foot exception, it's possible to close on a character with a longspear without ever provoking an AoO, by approaching on the diagonal - you leave a square 15 feet from the character and enter a square 5 feet from the character. Obviously, at some stage in your movement in analogue terms, you pass through a point which is 10 feet from the opponent... but since the movement is digital, no threatened square is left, and no AoO is provoked.</p><p></p><p>This doesn't happen for a large creature with a reach weapon - 15 <em>and</em> 20 feet means that at least one threatened square must always be left. Nor for a huge creature, with his inclusive reach of fifteen feet - there are no gaps in the line that can be slipped through.</p><p></p><p>Frank demonstrated that the same problem exists for exclusive 15 foot reach... but in the core rules, there <em>isn't</em> anything that has exclusive 15 foot reach.</p><p></p><p>So the exception was made to close the gap for a 10 foot reach; no exception is necessary for larger numbers, because no gaps exist.</p><p></p><p>The example given is one instance of "However, Small and Medium creatures wielding reach weapons threaten more squares than a typical creature." So yes, the exception covers more than just a human with a longspear; it also covers a dwarf with a glaive, or a halfling with a guisarme, or a kobold with a ranseur, or any other example of a Small or Medium creature wielding a reach weapon. And in all the examples of Small or Medium creatures wielding a reach weapon - the examples that the exception covers - the reach is 10 feet. Not 15, or 20, or 60.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3611806, member: 1656"] Well, my understanding of that rule is that without the 10 foot exception, it's possible to close on a character with a longspear without ever provoking an AoO, by approaching on the diagonal - you leave a square 15 feet from the character and enter a square 5 feet from the character. Obviously, at some stage in your movement in analogue terms, you pass through a point which is 10 feet from the opponent... but since the movement is digital, no threatened square is left, and no AoO is provoked. This doesn't happen for a large creature with a reach weapon - 15 [i]and[/i] 20 feet means that at least one threatened square must always be left. Nor for a huge creature, with his inclusive reach of fifteen feet - there are no gaps in the line that can be slipped through. Frank demonstrated that the same problem exists for exclusive 15 foot reach... but in the core rules, there [i]isn't[/i] anything that has exclusive 15 foot reach. So the exception was made to close the gap for a 10 foot reach; no exception is necessary for larger numbers, because no gaps exist. The example given is one instance of "However, Small and Medium creatures wielding reach weapons threaten more squares than a typical creature." So yes, the exception covers more than just a human with a longspear; it also covers a dwarf with a glaive, or a halfling with a guisarme, or a kobold with a ranseur, or any other example of a Small or Medium creature wielding a reach weapon. And in all the examples of Small or Medium creatures wielding a reach weapon - the examples that the exception covers - the reach is 10 feet. Not 15, or 20, or 60. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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