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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6943631" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Let me assure you this is exactly my point. </p><p></p><p>So if anyone has gotten something backwards, it must be you thinking I didn't already agree to all of the above <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>So... archers aren't "fine as it is" after all, since you just had to add a bunch of tweaks to ensure Strength builds are competitive?</p><p></p><p>I get the feeling you think of something very special when you talk about "dedicated archers"...</p><p></p><p>You <em>are</em> aware that with Sharpshooter and Crossbow Expert you can literally be Legolas, fighting with your bow with <em>no drawbacks whatsoever</em>. </p><p></p><p>Shooting into melee? No problem.</p><p>Shooting in melee? No problem.</p><p>Shooting at long distance? No problem.</p><p>Shooting against covered foes? No problem.</p><p></p><p>Getting to combine two weapon fighting styles (dual wield + archery)? No problem.</p><p>Getting to combine the best part of Greatweapon Fighting with a ranged weapon? No problem.</p><p>Getting an automatic reduction of the -5/+10 part to -3/+10? No problem.</p><p>Getting to combine best in class initiative with ranged weapon? No problem.</p><p>Getting to lose many fewer attacks due to much more easily reaching a new foe once you've downed your current one? No problem.</p><p>Getting to attack foes you can't reach with a melee weapon? No problem.</p><p></p><p>So I guess I can agree "archers are fine"...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 6943631, member: 12731"] Let me assure you this is exactly my point. So if anyone has gotten something backwards, it must be you thinking I didn't already agree to all of the above :) So... archers aren't "fine as it is" after all, since you just had to add a bunch of tweaks to ensure Strength builds are competitive? I get the feeling you think of something very special when you talk about "dedicated archers"... You [I]are[/I] aware that with Sharpshooter and Crossbow Expert you can literally be Legolas, fighting with your bow with [I]no drawbacks whatsoever[/I]. Shooting into melee? No problem. Shooting in melee? No problem. Shooting at long distance? No problem. Shooting against covered foes? No problem. Getting to combine two weapon fighting styles (dual wield + archery)? No problem. Getting to combine the best part of Greatweapon Fighting with a ranged weapon? No problem. Getting an automatic reduction of the -5/+10 part to -3/+10? No problem. Getting to combine best in class initiative with ranged weapon? No problem. Getting to lose many fewer attacks due to much more easily reaching a new foe once you've downed your current one? No problem. Getting to attack foes you can't reach with a melee weapon? No problem. So I guess I can agree "archers are fine"... [/QUOTE]
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