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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5316031" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, but it isn't THAT hard to work out ways to get a substitution of an at-will for an MBA. I don't recall any rogue at-wills that directly substitute but then again I don't spend a lot of time worrying about character build details. It might at worst require a couple feats, which makes it a rather niche thing and all but it will not surprise me at all if charops comes up with something interesting. I doubt it is a big huge broken whatever, but a high STR Brutal Scoundrel can easily have a pretty effective MBA anyhow. Besides, at high level a rogue losing 3-4 damage because of Melee Training and dropping in an extra 3d8 SA damage in trade for it is still nice.As for dwarves, they really do have a lot of good racial feats that pump up their fighter ability, on top of the best of the best class features for it. Dwarf was already a gold choice for fighter. Someone is now going to have to invent a new color to describe just how good dwarves are at that class.</blockquote>