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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonei" data-source="post: 5119411" data-attributes="member: 88176">Hello folks,I have been working much of today trying to put a weight to the various abilities of the core classes so that I can whip up new races etc while maintaining some sort of balance. I compared different things available with other sources - like feats - as well as some of the MM versions of the core races.  I'm not completely satisfied with the way things turned out...  I feel like they are in about the right order of strength, but even disregarding the half-orc there is a huge spread.  I would love your opinions and critiques on what could/should be adjusted or even how you feel things of the same or different weights compare.edit: adjusted relative value of stats to +60 str, dex, con/+40 rest instead of +80 str/+40 restSummary of total weights:Half-orc: 30Gnome: 205Halfling: 210Half-elf: 190Human: 230Elf: 230Dwarf: 235Here is how I weighted things:Each +1 to a skill: 10 (7.5 (round up) for specialized bonus)Each +1 to a save: 20 (specialized bonus 15)Listen and spot I count as worth double, and I counted the gnome's bonus to Craft (alchemy) as specialized.5 = 1/day Spell like abilities lvl 0 or 110 = most misc abilities (like the dwarf/gnome weapon familiarity, stability, favored class:any, +1 to attack vs. goblinoids, etc20 = low light vision, +1 attack w/ thrown weapons, +4 dodge bonus vs. giants, Dwarf's ability to not slow down in heavy load40 = Wis, Int, or Cha +2, base speed +10, Darkvision (60'), immunity to sleep effects, gnome's +1 to save DC of illusions, edit:specific bonus feat60 = choice of feat, Str, Dex, or Con +2-40 = Stat -2, base speed -10I did not include the racial languages, because I feel that the extra  bonus language balances the human's ability to pick from any bonus  language.I also did not give small size a weight, because there are some bonuses,  and once you look at the penalty to strength/bonus to dex separately  the rest evens out (feel free to disagree <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )So the core races look like this:Half-orc-20 - +2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha (+60, -40, -40)+10 - Orc blood+40 - DV 60'=30Half-Elf+20 - low light+40 - +1 listen, +1 spot+10 - +1 search+40 - +2 x2 other skills+10 - favored class:any+10 - elf blood+20 - +2 vs enchantment+40 - immune to sleep effects=190Gnome+0 - +2 con, -2 str (edit:+60, -60)+20 - low light+10 - gnome hooked hammer+30 - +2 save vs illusions+40 - +1 save DC vs illusions+10 - +1 attack vs. goblinoids+20 - +4 dodge bonus vs. giants+40 - +2 listen+15 - +2 craft (alchemy)+20 - 4x spell like ability (lvls 0,1)=205Halfling+0 - -2 Str, +2 Dex (-60, +60)+40 - +2 listen+60 - +2 x3 other skills+20 - +1 attack w/ thrown weapons+30 - +2 save vs fear+60 - +1 to each save=210Human+60 = free feat+160 = 4 free skill points +1/lvl (counted to lvl 5, but also counted  double like listen/spot as they can be placed in the most beneficial  area so (4+4)*10*2 = 160)+10 - favored class (any)=230Elf+0 - +2 dex, -2 con (+60, -60)+40 - immune to sleep effects+30 - +2 vs enchantment+20 - low light+40 - automatic prof with longsword, rapiers, bows+80 - +2 listen, +2 to spot+20 - +2 to another skill=230Dwarf+20 - +2 con, -2 cha (+60, -40)-40 - -10' movement+20 - Heavy load doesn't slow+40 - Darkvision 60'+10 - dwarven weapon familiarity+10 - Stable (+4 vs. bullrush, trip)+30 - +2 vs. poisons+60 - +2 vs spells (I calc it as specialized bonus to each save)+10 - +1 attack vs. goblinoids+20 - +4 dodge bonus vs. giants+45 - +2 specialized bonuses to 3 skills=235If you reach here: Thank you for looking through it!! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Edit: I was just looking through these again, and I realized that they would all (excluding half-orc) be around the same 'value' if:Gnomes got -2 Cha instead of -2 strengthHalflings got +10' movement (for 30' movement total)Half-elves got +2 bonus skill points at first level (from their mom's side <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )I think all those would preserve the flavor of the races, but would they be balanced?  Or are they more balanced the original way?</blockquote>

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