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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 9038012" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Unfortunately, I can't claim that degree of pedigree insofar as how long I've been playing, though I've certainly done my best to make up for my being a newbie compared to the <em>real</em> grognards! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>I was going to mention this when I got to the <em>Monstrous Manual</em> (and probably still will), but the answer is no...though it comes very close.</p><p></p><p>Despite being a compilation of the creatures from MC1 and MC2 (along with a scattering of monsters from several other appendices), the <em>Monstrous Manual</em> reworked a lot; the art is all in color, and in many cases uses a different picture altogether from what was in the first two MCs. Likewise, a number of creatures that had separate entries in the first two books are merged together in the <em>Monstrous Manual</em>, which in more than one instance has some information truncated compared to the original; the satyr and korred are different entries in MC1, for instance, but are merged in the <em>Monstrous Manual</em>, and the result is that while all of the satyr's text is there, the information on the korred is cut way down. Things like that are very much the exception rather than the rule, but there's still several examples of it to be found in the MM.</p><p></p><p>As far as monsters who are excluded altogether though, there's at least one: the hyaenodon. In the MC1 it shares an entry with the basic hyena, but in the MM (where the hyena has been heavily truncated under the "Mammal" entry), the hyaenodon isn't referenced at all, save for a single mention under the gnoll entry, noting a percentage chance that gnolls might have some with them. (I recall being quite frustrated with their absence, since <s>Yeenoghu's</s> Gorellik's entry in <em>DMGR4 Monster Mythology</em> noted that he had hyaenodons with him, and since I got the MM long before MC1 it left me wondering what those were and where I could find them.)</p><p></p><p>There might be one or two other monsters missing, but to date the hyaenodon is the only one I can conclusively say isn't there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 9038012, member: 8461"] Unfortunately, I can't claim that degree of pedigree insofar as how long I've been playing, though I've certainly done my best to make up for my being a newbie compared to the [I]real[/I] grognards! :D I was going to mention this when I got to the [I]Monstrous Manual[/I] (and probably still will), but the answer is no...though it comes very close. Despite being a compilation of the creatures from MC1 and MC2 (along with a scattering of monsters from several other appendices), the [I]Monstrous Manual[/I] reworked a lot; the art is all in color, and in many cases uses a different picture altogether from what was in the first two MCs. Likewise, a number of creatures that had separate entries in the first two books are merged together in the [I]Monstrous Manual[/I], which in more than one instance has some information truncated compared to the original; the satyr and korred are different entries in MC1, for instance, but are merged in the [I]Monstrous Manual[/I], and the result is that while all of the satyr's text is there, the information on the korred is cut way down. Things like that are very much the exception rather than the rule, but there's still several examples of it to be found in the MM. As far as monsters who are excluded altogether though, there's at least one: the hyaenodon. In the MC1 it shares an entry with the basic hyena, but in the MM (where the hyena has been heavily truncated under the "Mammal" entry), the hyaenodon isn't referenced at all, save for a single mention under the gnoll entry, noting a percentage chance that gnolls might have some with them. (I recall being quite frustrated with their absence, since [s]Yeenoghu's[/s] Gorellik's entry in [I]DMGR4 Monster Mythology[/I] noted that he had hyaenodons with him, and since I got the MM long before MC1 it left me wondering what those were and where I could find them.) There might be one or two other monsters missing, but to date the hyaenodon is the only one I can conclusively say isn't there. [/QUOTE]
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